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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old September 17th, 2009, 04:45 AM   #5261
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Buddy, CONCOCAF is much stronger than Asia/Oceania.
Compare groups with Brazil, Argentina, Mexico with those of Japan, S Korea and Iran/Bahrain etc
Agreed, UEFA is a a stronger Group, followed by COCOCAF & Africa; but Aus Claim of a tougher Group is ridiculous considering the Asia Oceania belt.
The Brisbane guy needs to redefine the meaning of strong in the Aus dictionary.
Moreover the timing of Australia is a major problem for Europe and remember they cud get the '94 WC matches scheduled for early evening to match Europe viewer timing. If this is to be obliged AUS need to host the matches midnight and early morning hrs which is both ridiculous and dangerous in a racially abrasive country like Australia.
CONCACAF is North America, Central America and the Caribbean....

You're thinking in Conmebol.

Worse than that, you're mixing two confederations (Brazil, Argentina and Mexico? What the...)
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CONCACAF is North America, Central America and the Caribbean....

You're thinking in Conmebol.

Worse than that, you're mixing two confederations (Brazil, Argentina and Mexico? What the...)
GUYS WHY DONT U WANNA ACCEPT THE FACT THAT AUS PLAY IN WITH EASIER CONTINENTAL OPPONENTS THAN USA?
C'mon face the truth, be brave. Compared to US Infrastructure (Almost 0 new stadia/public ammenties required for 2018) and organisational might, AUS bid wud wither in thin air. Sydney won 2000 as US had hosted '96 SUmmer Games and remember the bashing Brisbane got from Barcelona '92 bid, & Aus failure in I round itself from Atlanta '96 bid. Even China can win any of these two editions against Aus with hands down.

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Old September 17th, 2009, 05:48 AM   #5263
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The USA don't have a chance in hell. Since last time round for them football hasn't moved forward locally. To be honest, they'd be the last potential host on FIFA's mind.


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Old September 17th, 2009, 06:27 AM   #5264
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yeah, soccer has definitely advanced a ton in the usa since 94, heck just in the past few years it's made some very noticeable strides
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Old September 17th, 2009, 06:35 AM   #5265
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Yeah i've been following the MLS leauge this season.And i am pleasently suprised at how well it's doing and with the expansion of new teams shows that it's heading in the right direction,Quality of football(sorry soccer for you guys stateside) is improving to but still a long way to go yet.But so far so good.
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The USA don't have a chance in hell. Since last time round for them football hasn't moved forward locally. To be honest, they'd be the last potential host on FIFA's mind.
Sometimes it's better not to say anything. People, the majority of Australians would not agree with this and also consider the US a formidable opponent in the 2018/2022 bid. All the best of luck, God knows Australia needs it.

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Sometimes it's better not to say anything. People, the majority of Australians would not agree with this and also consider the US a formidable opponent in the 2018/2022 bid. All the best of luck, God knows Australia needs it.



Funny how you ask people to Chill when you intentionally post antagonistic dribble with a complete lack of shame for the clear holes in your knowledge, your information and use of hyperbole.
NO DOUBT SUCH OSSIE ATTITUDE WILL NEVER FETCH U A SUCCESSFUL BID
ANYWAY BEST OF LUCK WITH UR DAY DREAMS
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As many of us have thought, the Australian bid seems to be in a bit of bother while the State and Federal Governments are proposing naive solutions for the required venues and neither have committed serious funds for appropiate Venues.

Here are two articles from "The Age" newspaper of Melbourne.

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AUSTRALIA'S World Cup bid faces a funding problem that could result in it foundering before the end of the year.

While Australia remains among the front-runners for the 2018 and 2022 cups, building support as it makes its case, the issue of stadium facilities - long a potential weakness - must be resolved within weeks.

With a document detailing host stadiums due to be submitted to FIFA by mid-December, state and federal governments - all enthusiastic public backers - continue to defer the question of who will pay for new stadiums and stadium refurbishment.

Hundreds of millions of dollars will be required to remake stadiums and build new facilities to meet FIFA's strict requirements. Despite frenzied lobbying, none of the mooted projects has yet won funding commitments from state or federal governments.

All bidding nations must submit a ''bid agreement'' on December 11, outlining plans for at least 12 venues that meet FIFA's criteria for a World Cup venue. The bid team needs to have its list of venues finalised and with funding agreements in place by the end of November at the latest. The full bid - known as the ''bid book'' is due to be submitted in May.

''The bidding agreement is a key document,'' Football Federation Australia head of corporate affairs, Bonita Mersiades, said yesterday. ''It is an agreement all bidding nations are required to enter into before moving to the next step of submitting a bid proposal which is fully compliant with FIFA's requirements.''

The FFA's official line is an optimistic one. ''We are on track to submit both the bidding agreement and the 'bid book' in time for their respective deadlines,'' Mersiades said.

But the bid team is struggling to come up with 12 venues that each have a capacity of at least 40,000 and meet requirements for corporate, media and broadcast facilities. The FFA hopes funding can be arranged but concerns are building that little time is left.

If 12 venues cannot be secured by mid-December, Australia's bid will be effectively over.

Hopes that a successful cup bid would leave a nationwide legacy of purpose-built soccer stadiums for the sport have already been scaled back after state governments baulked at the financial commitment. The best-case scenario now appears to mostly involve refurbishing existing stadiums, some of which are far from ideal homes for soccer.

Melbourne's new Swan Street stadium has been ruled out of the running because of a design bungle. Built with a capacity of 32,000, the stadium was supposedly future-proofed so that the foundations could support an increase to 40,000 and make the facility FIFA-compliant.

But while the foundations were strengthened, the distinctive bubble roof was not designed to be adaptable. Studies have now shown that increasing the crowd capacity would require the roof to be rebuilt, and would prove more costly than building a new stadium.

This leaves the MCG as a cup venue in Melbourne and possibly Etihad Stadium. But the Docklands venue is likely to be required by the AFL. For this reason, FFA hopes are tied up with the possibility of a new AFL boutique stadium under investigation for the E-Gate precinct.

New rectangular stadiums would need to be built in Townsville and Canberra, while Newcastle's existing stadium would be upgraded, as would the Sydney Football Stadium and Olympic Stadium at Homebush.

Other options are far from ideal and still awaiting funding commitment. On the Gold Coast, rectangular Skilled Stadium is too small and cannot be enlarged, meaning the AFL's new Carrara Stadium would be the venue. Oval grounds would also be the best-case scenario in Adelaide and Perth, where redevelopment of the Adelaide and Subiaco ovals has emerged as the most likely cup venues but still require funding commitments from state or federal governments.

The bid team is believed to be hopeful that the Federal Government might step in and either help fund the stadiums or convince state governments to put money in. But time is running out.

A best-case scenario would result in Prime Minister Kevin Rudd stepping in to negotiate a deal with the premiers. Rudd has been a high-profile backer of the cup bid, appearing in the TV commercial made to launch it and visiting Switzerland to lobby FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

The program of stadium refurbishment would cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but the funding commitments would not need to be honoured if Australia's bid for the event is unsuccessful. Hosting the cup is believed to cost about $2 billion but the economic return is believed to be much higher. The Rudd Government has already committed $45.6 million.

The stadium question is Australia's greatest weakness and is being used by rival bidders to try and damage its chances. There is a strong likelihood that either the 2018 or 2022 hosting rights will be awarded to Europe, leaving Australia and the US as the front-runners for the other event, which is awarded at the same time. The US bid is highlighting its wealth of stadium facilities, all of them rectangular and well suited to soccer. The Americans selected an initial list of 70 stadiums capable of holding cup matches but have since narrowed it to 32. Most of them are modern, have rectangular fields and large crowd capacities. Even Indonesia - a bidder given little chance of success - has commitments from the Indonesian Government for the necessary 12 host venues.
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MCG Would require minimal upgrades to corporate and broadcast facilities and would be one of two Australian stadiums capable of hosting a World Cup final or semi-final. Room would have to be found nearby for an extensive media centre.
SUBIACO A change of government in Western Australia put paid to plans for a new 60,000-seat stadium, with Premier Colin Barnett preferring to spend less on a redevelopment of Subiaco.

ADELAIDE OVAL The South Australian Cricket Association has announced plans for a $350 million redevelopment that would lift capacity to 45,000. The AFL and SANFL are interested but no funding commitment has been allocated by the State Government, and SANFL plans to redevelop AAMI Stadium have muddied the waters.

TOWNSVILLE Dairy Farmers Stadium is too small to host a World Cup match and a new stadium would have to be built. Football Federation Australia has drawn up plans for a facility that could be down-scaled after the event. Nobody has yet agreed to fund such a project.

NEWCASTLE Energy Australia Stadium is being redeveloped in stages — funded jointly by the NSW and Federal governments. Current plans — costing $60 million — will lift the capacity to 33,000 but the NSW Government has said that capacity can be raised to 40,000 in the event the World Cup bid is successful.

12TH STADIUM To be determined but time is running out fast. Contenders are a redeveloped Wollongong stadium, a redevelopment of Parramatta Stadium or a new facility, built to the same FFA blueprint as the Townsville one, in Blacktown, western Sydney.

CANBERRA The ACT Government has floated plans for a $350 million rectangular stadium at the Bruce site that is home to the Canberra Stadium and the AIS. As part of the plan — which the ACT has said would require a mix of Federal Government and private funding — the existing Canberra Stadium would be converted to an AFL and cricket oval shape and the new stadium built alongside.

SUNCORP STADIUM The Brisbane stadium, redeveloped in 2003, is generally acknowledged as the best place to watch the game in the country. Would require only minor changes.

SYDNEY FOOTBALL STADIUM A rectangular stadium that would need a facelift to corporate and media facilities but is more than capable of hosting World Cup games.

ANZ STADIUM Sydney’s Olympic jewel at Homebush would also be a contender to host the World Cup final and would require only relatively minor adjustments to be FIFA compliant. Capacity is 84,000.

ETIHAD STADIUM On the FFA’s list of 12 but may present problems, as it is likely to be required by the AFL during the World Cup period. Would require minimal upgrade.

CARRARA A $126 million oval stadium jointly funded by State and Federal governments, the AFL and the Gold Coast council that will house the incoming Gold Coast AFL team. Would need expansion as the planned capacity is only 25,000.

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Funny how you ask people to Chill when you intentionally post antagonistic dribble with a complete lack of shame for the clear holes in your knowledge, your information and use of hyperbole.

NO DOUBT SUCH OSSIE ATTITUDE WILL NEVER FETCH U A SUCCESSFUL BID
ANYWAY BEST OF LUCK WITH UR DAY DREAMS
Thankyou for proving my point, I barely had to wait 5 minutes. Now I'll go back to my daydreaming. Oh, and it is spelt Aussie.
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Old September 17th, 2009, 08:20 AM   #5270
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COOL YOUR TEMPERS - TRUTH IS ALWAYS BITTER TO ACCEPT

i. 2006 WC - Tougher Group? My Phillistine buddy, USA drew against Eventual champions Italy & had Ghana the African Party Spoiler as any novice in World Football acknowledges & Czech hav been WC finalists twice though not in good form then.

ii. The concentration of the Aus Bid venues - 2 Melbourne, 1 Sydney, 1 Adelaide, 2 Brisbane (If Canberra add 1 more) isnt this concentration in one south east area (West was typo error from me). Pls go back to High School to learn Geography of ur land.

iii. Every month, Kevin Ruud goes to claim that pls dissociate Australia being racial. If v go by wat u say, Why does he need to give this justification every month? Racial attacks on Asians in Australian Cities is like a routine Page 3 story.

But you did not deny the fact Aus go out to England to play their friendlies. If u cant host friendlies why dream WC?

Chill out, there is no problem in losing few Millions in an unsuccessful bid to England, USA or China and pls prepare to face this truth from now on atleast.
USA drew to ITALY, we played a strong game that italy didnt even score until the last minute penalty was given to ITALY which in the replay even my italian cousins said was a wrong decision. we could have EBATEN them in a penalty shoot out.

your obviously going to put most of the games where most of the population lives, silly to have games located in darwina nd alice springs just to share it around. and melbourne and sydney are our biggest cities which have the most flights coming in anyway.

australia is one of the most diverse countries on earth, and your only going to hear about the bad stuff becasue good stuff isnt interesting.

i have been to 2 friendlies in melbourne, argentina and greece, and there have been others in other cities... whoever was the diva that made the socceroos fly to uk for teh friendly is a wank of a country
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USA drew to ITALY, we played a strong game that italy didnt even score until the last minute penalty was given to ITALY which in the replay even my italian cousins said was a wrong decision. we could have EBATEN them in a penalty shoot out.

your obviously going to put most of the games where most of the population lives, silly to have ........whoever was the diva that made the socceroos fly to uk for teh friendly is a wank of a country
You seem to be reasonable guy, with reasons for every anamoly cited with a balanced head.
I appreciate that since the rest of the Aussie guys rather than supporting their cause seem to dig against the other candidates illogically.
Anyway as you quoted "Oz is a diversified Country..." hope that realy turns out to be true. All the best for OZ too.
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MCG Would require minimal upgrades to corporate and broadcast facilities and would be one of two Australian stadiums capable of hosting a World Cup final or semi-final. Room would have to be found nearby for an extensive media centre.
SUBIACO A change of government in Western Australia put paid to plans for a new 60,000-seat stadium, with Premier Colin Barnett preferring to spend less on a redevelopment of Subiaco.

ADELAIDE OVAL The South Australian Cricket Association has announced plans for a $350 million redevelopment that would lift capacity to 45,000. The AFL and SANFL are interested but no funding commitment has been allocated by the State Government, and SANFL plans to redevelop AAMI Stadium have muddied the waters.

TOWNSVILLE Dairy Farmers Stadium is too small to host a World Cup match and a new stadium would have to be built. Football Federation Australia has drawn up plans for a facility that could be down-scaled after the event. Nobody has yet agreed to fund such a project.

NEWCASTLE Energy Australia Stadium is being redeveloped in stages — funded jointly by the NSW and Federal governments. Current plans — costing $60 million — will lift the capacity to 33,000 but the NSW Government has said that capacity can be raised to 40,000 in the event the World Cup bid is successful.

12TH STADIUM To be determined but time is running out fast. Contenders are a redeveloped Wollongong stadium, a redevelopment of Parramatta Stadium or a new facility, built to the same FFA blueprint as the Townsville one, in Blacktown, western Sydney.

CANBERRA The ACT Government has floated plans for a $350 million rectangular stadium at the Bruce site that is home to the Canberra Stadium and the AIS. As part of the plan — which the ACT has said would require a mix of Federal Government and private funding — the existing Canberra Stadium would be converted to an AFL and cricket oval shape and the new stadium built alongside.

SUNCORP STADIUM The Brisbane stadium, redeveloped in 2003, is generally acknowledged as the best place to watch the game in the country. Would require only minor changes.

SYDNEY FOOTBALL STADIUM A rectangular stadium that would need a facelift to corporate and media facilities but is more than capable of hosting World Cup games.

ANZ STADIUM Sydney’s Olympic jewel at Homebush would also be a contender to host the World Cup final and would require only relatively minor adjustments to be FIFA compliant. Capacity is 84,000.

ETIHAD STADIUM On the FFA’s list of 12 but may present problems, as it is likely to be required by the AFL during the World Cup period. Would require minimal upgrade.

CARRARA A $126 million oval stadium jointly funded by State and Federal governments, the AFL and the Gold Coast council that will house the incoming Gold Coast AFL team. Would need expansion as the planned capacity is only 25,000.
That's it?

The USA could host the WC right now with stadiums with an average capacity of 65,000....none of them ovals/olympic....

Australia has to struggle just to get 12 stadiums that meet the 40k minimum...
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That's it?

The USA could host the WC right now with stadiums with an average capacity of 65,000....none of them ovals/olympic....

Australia has to struggle just to get 12 stadiums that meet the 40k minimum...
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AMERICA IS READY FOR TOMORROW. PERIOD
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Yes, yes everyone knows that the US can host right now no worries, but this is Australia a new frontier, and more importantly, we are not in the same population level or infrastructure level as the US.

Your bound to get at least 2 oval stadiums by the looks of it. Just give us a chance, and with the right funding and preparation, we can build/renovate stadiums in time for the WC.

It should also be noted, that should we win the rights to host the Asian Cup in 2015, most likely using existing venues, it would provide a much needed boost and show our capability of hosting such a large scale event.
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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AMERICA IS READY FOR TOMORROW. PERIOD
But does that mean you deserve it because you can readily host? I think not, if you hadn't hosted 94, then maybe I'd be inclined to agree, but no. LET SOMEONE ELSE HOST FOR A CHANGE
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Yes, yes everyone knows that the US can host right now no worries, but this is Australia a new frontier, and more importantly, we are not in the same population level or infrastructure level as the US.

Your bound to get at least 2 oval stadiums by the looks of it. Just give us a chance, and with the right funding and preparation, we can build/renovate stadiums in time for the WC.

It should also be noted, that should we win the rights to host the Asian Cup in 2015, most likely using existing venues, it would provide a much needed boost and show our capability of hosting such a large scale event.
Firstly: Asian Championship has previously been hosted by Lebanon (Imagine the complexity?) & Japan did it in '94 in a single venue. Now the Asian Championship is stipulated to have maximum of 4 venues and 1 standby in each City.

Second: The spec required for AFC is far behind the ones required by UEFA/FIFA.

Third: OZ did not win the right but it was a rotation policy 2011 West Asia followed by 2015 Ocenia/Asia.

So pls stop misleading the Forumers upon tall claims of AFC. But I assure u the magnanimity of the AFC as hosted by China cant be met either.
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Buddy, CONCOCAF is much stronger than Asia/Oceania.
Compare groups with Brazil, Argentina, Mexico with those of Japan, S Korea and Iran/Bahrain etc
Agreed, UEFA is a a stronger Group, followed by COCOCAF & Africa; but Aus Claim of a tougher Group is ridiculous considering the Asia Oceania belt.
The Brisbane guy needs to redefine the meaning of strong in the Aus dictionary.

Moreover the timing of Australia is a major problem for Europe and remember they got the '94 WC matches scheduled for early evening to match the European viewer's timings. If this is to be obliged, AUS need to host the matches midnight and early morning hrs which is both ridiculous and dangerous in a racially abrasive country like Australia.
Brazil and Argentina aren't in CONCACAF. The USA has to play Mexico, and then teams like Honduras and Barbados.

The USA drew with Italy when Italy played for over an hour with ten men, and the USA's goal was an own goal by Cristian Zaccardo. Australia also had a man advantage in their game, but for much less time (only 40 minutes) and they also held out, until Fabio Grosso won a penalty with a blatant dive, and Totti converted the penalty in the 96th minute.

Doesn't seem to be too much difference there.

TV times are an issue, but given that Europe has already put up with early morning games from Japan and South Korea (where the kick-off times meant games played at 7.30, 9.30 and 11.30 am UK time) I think we can adjust.



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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AMERICA IS READY FOR TOMORROW. PERIOD

The size of the stadiums are not important. It doesn't matter if all the stadiums in the US are 65k plus. FIFA has set 40k as the minimum for a reason. Otherwise no other country in the world would ever meet the standard. FIFA makes it's revenue on advertising and from it's massive TV audience. An extra 15,000 people in the stadium isn't going to increase their profit by any noticeable margin.
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GUYS WHY DONT U WANNA ACCEPT THE FACT THAT AUS PLAY IN WITH EASIER CONTINENTAL OPPONENTS THAN USA?
C'mon face the truth, be brave. Compared to US Infrastructure (Almost 0 new stadia/public ammenties required for 2018) and organisational might, AUS bid wud wither in thin air. Sydney won 2000 as US had hosted '96 SUmmer Games and remember the bashing Brisbane got from Barcelona '92 bid, & Aus failure in I round itself from Atlanta '96 bid. Even China can win any of these two editions against Aus with hands down.
No, you were just saying that CONCACAF (actually, you said CONCOCAF...) is the second strongest confederation behind UEFA because it had countries like Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. That, my friend,... is just stupid.
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No, you were just saying that CONCACAF (actually, you said CONCOCAF...) is the second strongest confederation behind UEFA because it had countries like Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. That, my friend,... is just stupid.
AUSSIES IN WONDERLAND GO ENJOY UR STUPID BID
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Dude, hush. I'm American, but the minute you said Brazil and Argentina play in CONCACAF your credibility was shot to pieces.

It's CONCACAF, not COCOCAF. That sounds like a soft drink.
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