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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old May 8th, 2010, 07:12 PM   #5801
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Europe can´t host the world cup in 2026, in that year is to south america again.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #5802
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If you say so. The USA, Asia and Africa might have something to say about that though
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Old May 9th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #5803
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LOL I waited such dumb stereotypes. What stops you to use facts, not myths?

Average temperatures in June (°C)

Kaliningrad: 15.4
..... which are crushing all dumb myths. Use brains, it's not so hard.
Well, It is merely not long distances literally.

Can anyone compare the cosmpolitan atmosphere and infrastructure availabile in NY, SFO though 1000s of miles apart with that of Krasnodar-Ekaterinburg?
Or for that matter Can St Petersburg-Volgograd be compared to, Seattle - Houston?

The fact is - To avoid an embarrassing defeat as for Euro, the Russian bid is concentrated in Central & Western Russia.

But what happens after the Event?
What with farcical cities like Podolsk - 180000 population?
Will the 45K capacity stadium ever be full again in the decades to come?
What about the high capacity Airports, Train Stations built?
Will they have enough commuters to fill the capacity?
What about the 1000s of Star Hotel Rooms that shall come up, are all these 13 cities having enough Tourist attractions/local businesses to sustain these?
It is all about legacy.

Already most of these Russian cities are under reconstruction to raise capacities to 30K.
Will there be a reconstruction again to increase to 45 K within a few yrs?
Isn't that being dumb economically?

Those are average how about the night matches and the temperatures then 8 to 12 deg C???

Pls even add economics/legacy or 25 letters to your dictionary.
Otherwise It seems too dumb with just one word.

On the same topic: Russia can spring a surprise everyone and do a Rio at the voting for the now rechristened European 2018 WC.

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Old May 9th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #5804
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England 2018, USA 2022. Just saying.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #5805
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Australia's bid (Just about official)
1: Melbourne: 100,000 oval
[IMG]http://i35.************/2crafep.jpg[/IMG]

2:Sydney: 90,000 rectangle


3: Perth: 70,000 retractable seating


4: Brisbane: 50,000 rectangle


5: Adelaide: 50,000-60,000 oval


6: Canberra: 50,000 rectangle


7: Sydney: 45,500 rectangle


8: Newcastle: 45,000 rectangle


9:Gold Coast: 45,000 oval
***

10: Geelong: 45,000 rectangle (to be converted to oval post games)


11: Sydney: 50,000 rectangle
(No picture)

12: Townsville: 45,000 rectangle
(No picture)

***Gold Coast picture only holding 25,000

Thanks to "Merse" from bigfooty for the pictures.
Overall, a strong and relitavely cheap bid. Third Sydney venue and Townsville to be scrapped i think due to the 2 stadia/city rule (even though this stadium is 50km outside of Sydney "city" and Townsville being ages away.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #5806
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I can't belive Mexico whitdrew from the bid.
But im hoping US gets the 2018 or 2022 WC bid.

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Old May 10th, 2010, 04:37 PM   #5807
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Australia's bid (Just about official)
1: Melbourne: 100,000 oval
[IMG]http://i35.************/2crafep.jpg[/IMG]

2:Sydney: 90,000 rectangle


3: Perth: 70,000 retractable seating


4: Brisbane: 50,000 rectangle


5: Adelaide: 50,000-60,000 oval


6: Canberra: 50,000 rectangle


7: Sydney: 45,500 rectangle


8: Newcastle: 45,000 rectangle


9:Gold Coast: 45,000 oval
***

10: Geelong: 45,000 rectangle (to be converted to oval post games)


11: Sydney: 50,000 rectangle
(No picture)

12: Townsville: 45,000 rectangle
(No picture)

***Gold Coast picture only holding 25,000

Thanks to "Merse" from bigfooty for the pictures.
Overall, a strong and relitavely cheap bid. Third Sydney venue and Townsville to be scrapped i think due to the 2 stadia/city rule (even though this stadium is 50km outside of Sydney "city" and Townsville being ages away.
Looks good - I suspect Blacktown will still be built though (maybe Townsville), and the Gold Coast or Geelong could be excluded, although I wouldn't mind seeing 12 venues.

You say the bid is cheap - this is a little unfair (okay it's cheap compared to Russia and Qatar), but we haven't seen the plans for upgrading of many of the current venues. I suspect work will be done on the MCG, Suncorp and the SFS. Also we haven't seen the real plans for the Adelaide Oval, or the final plans for Newcastle, the Gold Coast or even Perth - these might all look more impressive once we see more renders.

Here's a better pic of the Canberra stadium btw:


And here's what the Perth stadium looks like with the seating slid in (although these pics are from an earlier proposal, and apparently the World Cup bid stadium will be cheaper, so probably not this good:
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Old May 10th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #5808
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Can anyone compare the cosmpolitan atmosphere and infrastructure availabile in NY, SFO though 1000s of miles apart with that of Krasnodar-Ekaterinburg?
Or for that matter Can St Petersburg-Volgograd be compared to, Seattle - Houston?
You're not comparing like-with-like. Moscow and St. Petersburg would be a better comparsion for NY and SF than Krasnodar-Ekaterinburg. Whilst those two may well still come up short, they are still large, international cities of global sigificance

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The fact is - To avoid an embarrassing defeat as for Euro, the Russian bid is concentrated in Central & Western Russia.
What is wrong with that? They made mistakes in a previous bid for another tournament and now appeared to have corrected a potential weakness. Wasn't one of Rio's previous Olympics branded as one of the worst to have been presented? What about England in 2006 (and the Picketts Lock fiasco)? The FA's WC bid gained an embarrassing number of votes and the organisation realised they had to change their relationship with FIFA, UEFA, etc in order to have any chance of getting a future WC. Having gone through that process England and the FA are widely seen as the favourites for 2018.

Credit Russia for realising their mistake and moving on.

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But what happens after the Event?
What with farcical cities like Podolsk - 180000 population?
Will the 45K capacity stadium ever be full again in the decades to come?
Well, considering Russia has presented 14 cities there is a chance they may reduce the number of venues down to 12. Anyway, Podolsk's population is around the same as Milton Kenyes in England, which is one of the FA's chosen venues.

The stadium could just have a temporary stand(s) for the WC and reduce it afterwards. This is what Cuiaba is doing in Brazil (going down to 28K I believe) and many of the venues in London for the Olympics are temporary.

Be a little creative in your thinking!
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What about the high capacity Airports, Train Stations built?
Will they have enough commuters to fill the capacity?
What about the 1000s of Star Hotel Rooms that shall come up, are all these 13 cities having enough Tourist attractions/local businesses to sustain these?
It is all about legacy.
But you can say that about anywhere. The smaller cities and stadiums won't be attracting 100s of thousands of people even for their games. Remember a high proportion of tickets are for VIPs, corporate bores and so on. In a 45K stadium the number of real fans is probably not much above 30k, if at all. You can add non-match going fans flooding the city, but for group matches (especially ones involving countries that don't bring in massive amounts of travelling supporters) I doubt it would be any more than triple the number of fans inside the stadium.

As for legacy, new transport and other infrastructure (although Russia's is better than SA and Brazil's) for nation that is experiencing rapid economic growth - and is likely to continue to do so for the rest of the decade - is a legacy that a WC could leave.

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Already most of these Russian cities are under reconstruction to raise capacities to 30K.
Will there be a reconstruction again to increase to 45 K within a few yrs?
Isn't that being dumb economically?
Lol, how is that dumb, football clubs do it all the time. Over here, Man Utd increased capacity at Old Trafford on 3 separate occasions between '95 and '06, even though by 2000 the club knew they could fill an 85K stadium. MLS clubs are also expanding their grounds in stages. For the clubs and their owners it makes economic sense: Increase supply just enough so that you benefit from more ticket sales, but low enough so that demand outstrips supply and therefore you don’t have to reduce prices to fill the ground.

Since 1992 when, for obvious reason, Russian club football reached its nadir in terms of attendances with an average of just 5,900, things have improved and 2009 saw a league average of just over 12,000. This is still low, but the point is there has been a steady increase continuously since the early 90s which shows no sign of stopping. It would be economically crazy for most clubs to start building 40k+ stadiums now when the demand isn't regularly there; better to follow the approach of other clubs in other countries and increase every 6/7 years or so (not to mention some may only need temporary stands).

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Those are average how about the night matches and the temperatures then 8 to 12 deg C???
Average temperatures are pointless (don’t know why that guy posted them); it is average highs you want - i.e. the likely temperature between about 1pm and 4pm. Considering it stays light in most of Russia well past 9pm (certainly 8pm in the Southern most cities) cool temps won't be a problem as there certainly won’t be matches played after 11pm or at any time near the coldest period of the day (between 1-4am).

Average June and July high in Moscow is around 22-23C, although I suspect if you were to just obtain figures between 1990-present it would a couple fo degrees warmer. Either way, temperatures won’t be a problem and you are more likely to get warm-to-hot weather in most of Russia than you are in England and Belgium/Holland.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 08:26 PM   #5809
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Old May 10th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #5810
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Australia's bid (Just about official)
Too much ovals for me .
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Old May 11th, 2010, 12:39 PM   #5811
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Ovals are even worse than athletic stadiums yuck.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 01:31 PM   #5812
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Too much ovals for me .
3 too much? Well technically 2, as Gold Coast's stadium will be "oval" in 2018 Commonwealth Games configuration, without track most likely for a 2022 WC.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 02:07 PM   #5813
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Joseph Blatter has revealed, that WC 2018 is going to be held in Europe and also on the mainland. That would mean Holland/Belgium and Russia are favorites. I hope Holland/Belgium will get the WC2018 and the Final will be played in Rotterdam.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #5814
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Joseph Blatter has revealed, that WC 2018 is going to be held in Europe and also on the mainland. That would mean Holland/Belgium and Russia are favorites. I hope Holland/Belgium will get the WC2018 and the Final will be played in Rotterdam.
Quote, please .
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Old May 11th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #5815
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Joseph Blatter has revealed, that WC 2018 is going to be held in Europe and also on the mainland. That would mean Holland/Belgium and Russia are favorites. I hope Holland/Belgium will get the WC2018 and the Final will be played in Rotterdam.
Blatter can say whatever he likes, but he only gets 1 vote - just like everyone else on the committee.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #5816
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Joseph Blatter has revealed, that WC 2018 is going to be held in Europe and also on the mainland. That would mean Holland/Belgium and Russia are favorites. I hope Holland/Belgium will get the WC2018 and the Final will be played in Rotterdam.
I can't find anything to back that up in Google, so I'll assume you're making this up if you can't provide us with a link.

Sorry.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 05:46 PM   #5817
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Mainland Europe means it won't be held in England.

Or Iceland... sorry guys. Better luck next time Iceland

He may as well say it won't be held in England. But again I find no evidence of this.

THe latest bit of news is that Blatter wants the WC to be held in Europe:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...and-japan-2018
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Old May 11th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #5818
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Australia's bid (Just about official)

Third Sydney venue and Townsville to be scrapped i think due to the 2 stadia/city rule (even though this stadium is 50km outside of Sydney "city" and Townsville being ages away.
The field in MCG is 172 mtrs long.
Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast all ovals sure to have min 30 mtrs distance from the lines.
3 stadia in Sydney & Townsville????
Would be tough to convince.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #5819
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Mr Anti-Australia, we can add seating to the fields which will both increase capacity and make them somewhat rectangular - albeit temporarily.
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Old May 12th, 2010, 03:00 AM   #5820
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The field in MCG is 172 mtrs long.
Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast all ovals sure to have min 30 mtrs distance from the lines.
3 stadia in Sydney & Townsville????
Would be tough to convince.
The MCG is a all seater,ultra modern 95,000 seat stadium.The fact that its 172m long is not ideal,but ....whats the length of berlin olympiastadion,Yokohama?.....189m!!..In fact,most Stadia with an athletics track are over 185m!...So I dont see a major problem there.

Perth will be rectangle configuration as based on the Stadium WA plans.I can assure you of that.
Adelaide...well...we havent yet seen the plans for the FIFA compliant configuration(which the SA government have guarranteed),so I cannot see how you can judge Adelaide yet.
Gold Coast...well...this looks like it will be an oval or have an athletics track.
In other words...the Gold Coast may be the only stadium that many might have an issue with!
Who said there was 3 stadium in Sydney that was going to be used?..The bid book proposes Stadia that are FIFA compliant and 3 Stadia in Sydney will be compliant.It doesnt mean that they will use all 3.Havent London proposed 3 stadia in their bid?

To me,its sounding like a solid bid!
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