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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 02:03 PM   #6201
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Most major developments benefit from the pressure of a deadline for a one-time event. "Now or never" and all that.

But that's hardly a grand expense by FIFA compared to their requirements. And there's often confrontational politics once the LOC begins the detailed negotiations and planning with the local governments.

Again, I'm not poo-pooing the impact or FIFA's investment, merely noting that the return on the investment will be rather steady to FIFA but locally the community gets out of it what they put into it.

Verily. It could be argued this event was an economic savior for SA.
Its perhaps not a grand expense but it does cost money to run the show, and run it successfully. FIFA money may not go directly to citizens, but the functioning of the LOC is vital.

FIFA's requirements are quite varied but it simple comes down to each host city understanding them. Many like to over exaggerate these requirements as if they are different to the norms and requirements of other events.
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Old June 4th, 2010, 06:49 AM   #6202
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I'm oficially making my prediction - It's all starting to make sense to me:

As I said some pages ago, FIFA WC host selection has to be understood under the light of the World (Blatter/CAF/CONMEBOL) x (UEFA - Specially the Big 5) dispute within the executive commitee.

Blatter has to accept that one of the WCs will go to Europe due to the rotation policy created by him, but it can still go to a country outside the "evil axis" - of which Spain and England are contenders.

He just single-handedly gave the WC to CONMEBOL and CAF, so there aren't any host contenders from these confederations, which will prevent any vote-bargaining. So I bet he expects the 7 votes from these confederations to go to whichever host of his preference: Russia, for what he's been hinting - conveniently the biggest outsider among the bidders within UEFA. These countries bloc-voted in 2006, the last actually competitive election, for the South African bid (along with CONCACAF voters). Germany only won because it received ALL european votes (8) plus all Asian-Oceanic ones. So, with the support of CONMEBOL and CAF, all Blatter and Havelange (Team World) need to do is make sure that there is no bloc-voting from the remaining executives.

1 - There won't be any Asian bloc-voting, for the following reasons:

(i) AFC is too split. Do you guys remember the last election to the AFC presidency, at which the Qatari candidate said he would cut off the head of the Korean one?

(ii) out of the 4 asian members of the executive board, 3 are from countries that are bidding for 2022, so they'll be too busy bargaining votes with different european bids (they can't bargain with the same one, since each country - or some of them - only has 1 vote to offer).

2 - There won't be any bloc voting in Europe this time, since Blatter shrewdly maneuvered so that the WC has to happen in Europe - so there are too many european candidates. Vote-splitting is inevitable.

3 - There may be bloc voting from the CONCACAF 3 votes and OFC's vote, but, even if they all go to England's, Spain's or Bene's bids, they will not be enough to beat the Russians with the support of CAF and CONMEBOL.

Russia is taking 2018.

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Old June 4th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #6203
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I haven't even thought about how the splitting of the asian bids will help the USA win 2022.
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Old June 4th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #6204
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I'm oficially making my prediction - It's all starting to make sense to me:

As I said some pages ago, FIFA WC host selection has to be understood under the light of the World (Blatter/CAF/CONMEBOL) x (UEFA - Specially the Big 5) dispute within the executive commitee.

Blatter has to accept that one of the WCs will go to Europe due to the rotation policy created by him, but it can still go to a country outside the "evil axis" - of which Spain and England are contenders.

He just single-handedly gave the WC to CONMEBOL and CAF, so there aren't any host contenders from these confederations, which will prevent any vote-bargaining. So I bet he expects the 7 votes from these confederations to go to whichever host of his preference: Russia, for what he's been hinting - conveniently the biggest outsider among the bidders within UEFA. These countries bloc-voted in 2006, the last actually competitive election, for the South African bid (along with CONCACAF voters). Germany only won because it received ALL european votes (8) plus all Asian-Oceanic ones. So, with the support of CONMEBOL and CAF, all Blatter and Havelange (Team World) need to do is make sure that there is no bloc-voting from the remaining executives.

1 - There won't be any Asian bloc-voting, for the following reasons:

(i) AFC is too split. Do you guys remember the last election to the AFC presidency, at which the Qatari candidate said he would cut off the head of the Korean one?

(ii) out of the 4 asian members of the executive board, 3 are from countries that are bidding for 2022, so they'll be too busy bargaining votes with different european bids (they can't bargain with the same one, since each country - or some of them - only has 1 vote to offer).

2 - There won't be any bloc voting in Europe this time, since Blatter shrewdly maneuvered so that the WC has to happen in Europe - so there are too many european candidates. Vote-splitting is inevitable.

3 - There may be bloc voting from the CONCACAF 3 votes and OFC's vote, but, even if they all go to England's, Spain's or Bene's bids, they will not be enough to beat the Russians with the support of CAF and CONMEBOL.

Russia is taking 2018.
If Blatter is arranging it so all his supporters in developing nations vote for his favoured bid (rumoured to be Russia), I hope FIFA will be good enough to reimburse England, Holland/Belgium and Spain/Portugal for the tens of millions they've wasted in participating.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 01:14 AM   #6205
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If Blatter is arranging it so all his supporters in developing nations vote for his favoured bid (rumoured to be Russia), I hope FIFA will be good enough to reimburse England, Holland/Belgium and Spain/Portugal for the tens of millions they've wasted in participating.
Nothing was reimbursed to Moscow when it lost 2012 Olympics...
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Old June 5th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #6206
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I wasn't being entirely serious coth.

But the notion that the head of FIFA can arrange it so completely that his favoured bid wins (something which is far more tricky within the IOC - Rogge favoured Paris for 2012) is worrying. I don't know whether it's true or not, but it doesn't say much for FIFA's processes if it is.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #6207
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Nothing was reimbursed to Moscow when it lost 2012 Olympics...
Correction, Moscow losing 2012, paved the way for a successful Sochi 2014.
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Old June 7th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #6208
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Offtopic, specifically for Russophobes
Russian beach soccer squad lifts Euro Cup
http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-06-07/be...-euro-cup.html
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Old June 15th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #6209
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Russia's Bid Book was stealed in South Africa during FIFA congress .
And 2 parts of Netherlands/Belgium Bid Book too.

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Old June 15th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #6210
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Russia's Bid Book was stealed in South Africa during FIFA congress .
And 2 parts of Netherlands/Belgium Bid Book too.
You cant be serious.... who and why would someone do that ?


BTW i didn't consider USA '94 as a pull-down for their bid until recently...
Japan & Korea certainly will not get it, due to co-hosting in 2002.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #6211
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Russia's Bid Book was stealed in South Africa during FIFA congress .
And 2 parts of Netherlands/Belgium Bid Book too.
Apparently true, look:

http://en.rian.ru/sports/20100615/159433477.html
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:48 AM   #6212
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Russia's Bid Book was stealed in South Africa during FIFA congress .
And 2 parts of Netherlands/Belgium Bid Book too.
Maybe English men stealed it
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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #6213
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Maybe English men stealed it
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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #6214
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"Sir, our bid book has been stolen and it was our only copy".

"I guess their will be no World Cup then, I'll tell the children"
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #6215
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"Sir, our bid book has been stolen and it was our only copy".

"I guess their will be no World Cup then, I'll tell the children"
I think they might have a spare somewhere....If they don't then sucks to be them because I thought Russia were a good chance for 2018.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:27 PM   #6216
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I think they might have a spare somewhere....If they don't then sucks to be them because I thought Russia were a good chance for 2018.
Dude, i read in the article that they have 500 copies of these.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:27 PM   #6217
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They've 499 spares!
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:32 PM   #6218
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They've 499 spares!
The thief has his work cut out for him...hope his got a high quality paper shredder.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:36 PM   #6219
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I think they might have a spare somewhere....If they don't then sucks to be them because I thought Russia were a good chance for 2018.
I really wasn't expecting a little joke to go over peoples heads.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:45 PM   #6220
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This was the work of MI5
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