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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 10th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #7161
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It's better when the stadiums are closer, so the tourist can visit more possible games. Look at USA 1994 going from L.A to Chicago, or Brazil 2014 going from Porto Alegre to Manaus. Look at the distance. Closer the better.
Right, because we don't have planes.

Do you think anyone that had to go from LA to Chicago were really complaining? They were tourists, its what tourists do, they see different places. Thats part of what the world cup is about for most people, seeing what the host country has to offer - not hiding in their air-conditioned hotel rooms waiting for the start of the next match they have tickets to.

With the exception of Perth, Australia's bid cities are all within a relatively cheap and short plane trip of each other - but importantly, theres something different to see and do in each one. The trip isnt a waste of time - you can dive the reef in Townsville, hit the harbour and beaches in Sydney, wander through Melbourne's laneways and gardens and so on. The US would be much the same, though the cities are distributed a bit further apart on average.

And unlike qatar, Australia and the US can handle enough tourists so that the stadiums won't be filled with the same people over and over again.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #7162
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It's better when the stadiums are closer, so the tourist can visit more possible games. Look at USA 1994 going from L.A to Chicago, or Brazil 2014 going from Porto Alegre to Manaus. Look at the distance. Closer the better.
The USA has trains and CHEAP airplanes (Southwest, JetBlue).

That's one of the draws of going to a WC, traveling around a country and visiting all the different cities.

It'll be boring to just stay in Doha the whole time.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 12:48 AM   #7163
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World Cup Bid Index 1.1 (by Mo Rush)

The main movements this week sees Russia gain some ground on England, while Qatar drops down further due to logistical concerns raised. The remaining bids remain steady.

The figures included consultation with Matthew Lowry who has spoken to every FIFA member.

Out of 100

England 84
Russia 78
Australia 73
Spain-Portugal 73
USA 65
Japan 61
Belgium-Neterlands 60
Qatar 39
World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41
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Old October 10th, 2010, 01:07 AM   #7164
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Old October 10th, 2010, 01:23 AM   #7165
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How will Qatar compensate the designated 22 poor hapless and developing countries for the non-arrival of beneficial modular phantom charitas?
So you also have the ability to look into the future? Hats off to you sir, you are a man of many talents.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #7166
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Right, because we don't have planes.

Do you think anyone that had to go from LA to Chicago were really complaining? They were tourists, its what tourists do, they see different places. Thats part of what the world cup is about for most people, seeing what the host country has to offer - not hiding in their air-conditioned hotel rooms waiting for the start of the next match they have tickets to.

With the exception of Perth, Australia's bid cities are all within a relatively cheap and short plane trip of each other - but importantly, theres something different to see and do in each one. The trip isnt a waste of time - you can dive the reef in Townsville, hit the harbour and beaches in Sydney, wander through Melbourne's laneways and gardens and so on. The US would be much the same, though the cities are distributed a bit further apart on average.

And unlike qatar, Australia and the US can handle enough tourists so that the stadiums won't be filled with the same people over and over again.
Exactly!
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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #7167
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Sepp Blatter discusses Qatar's bid

Interesting read.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:16 PM   #7168
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ah, it really does raise quite a few concerns.

I almost feel he was mocking the bid...
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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:16 PM   #7169
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The truth comes out! Interesting indeed.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #7170
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That was without doubt the best appraisal of the Qatar bid so far
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Old October 10th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #7171
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Yes, how dare a country have a bit of ambition? They should all be political and economic self-deluded failures like Egypt.
Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #7172
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Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.
A World Cup in Egypt or Turkey would be fantastic,really would.
Proper diverse World Cup in compliance with the bidding requirements, incredible historic landmarks for tourists,true football culture etc etc etc etc
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #7173
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #7174
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Nice work Aus 2022!!!
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:53 PM   #7175
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Guys, you don't understand - look at USA bid - it's all same just like Qatar, they have all stadiums in a one country

Actually I think Qatar can do very good organization. But as long as most of local audience with come from UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other local countries - it should have been a joined bid from all of them. 2 stadiums for each Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE and rest for Saudi Arabia, as all roads between them going via Saudi Arabia, which is important for transportation.


As for now I think Qatar should withdraw from 2022 in favor of Tatarstan 2018 to open a room for joined Middle East World Cup for somewhere 2030, after China. Jointly they will get it with no doubts. And i'm sure FIFA will make an expedition for both China and Middle East.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 07:39 PM   #7176
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Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.
Not really, I have always admired Egypt's football league and its national team and there is certainly no comparison between the two nations' footballing history. I was commenting more on the vile attitude of the original poster about Qatar's bid being, and I quote: "apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult. ". I was pointing out that it is ambition that drives this bid, regardless of its shortcomings, and that it is a joke to act like the Qataris are bidding because of some sinister or ulterior motive.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 11:41 AM   #7177
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It maybe a bit OT but one thing that these bids ahve really brought home to me is that the WC has gotten too big. 32 teams needing at least 12 big stadiums has really limated the number of nations which can bid for an event and dramatically increased the potential for white elephant stadia. It does seem to be that its not the 60-80K stadiums which cause problems but the 40-50K stadiums, most nations just don't have the depth to justify 6-8 of them.

I'd guess its unlikely at this stage but I'd really like to see things reduced to 16-20 teams both for that reason and a sporting perspective. As you make it easier to quality you reduce the competitiveness of qualifying itself, it used to be pretty much everyone who got to the WC had needed to show good form beforehand but these days many north america and asian teams get a spot pretty much by default. More smaller teams at the WC also means more mismatches and the resulting boring defencive football we saw in the summer.

Personally I'd like to see a format similar to that in the 1970's, 16 teams in 4 grouops of 4(or 20 in 4 groups of 5), top 2 in each group go into second group stage with the same format, top 2 qualify for semi's etc. That would give you a slightly longer WC with a max of 8-9 games rather than the current 7 but fewer games would be happening per day needing fewer stadiums. You'd also get far more games between the big sides and so more potential for great matches happening.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 12:43 PM   #7178
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Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP
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Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP
Sorry but it is easy compaired to europe or south america, the big teams are certainable capable of beating anyone on their day but there are way too many spots on offer. The whole of Concacaf is I'd say about as strong as a typical european group yet instead of 1 1/2 spots being on offer there are 3 1/2.

In say a 20 teams WC I could see....

8 European
4 South American
3 African
2 North America
2 Asian
1 Host
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Old October 11th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #7180
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World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41
Why is the USA so far down the list?
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