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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 11th, 2010, 02:34 PM   #7181
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Why is the USA so far down the list?
Had it recently. Too recently.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 02:55 PM   #7182
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Why is the USA so far down the list?
The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA
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Old October 11th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #7183
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The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA
I guess that makes sense. FIFA's unlikely to go outside of Europe (USA) for 2018.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 03:38 PM   #7184
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Sorry but it is easy compaired to europe or south america, the big teams are certainable capable of beating anyone on their day but there are way too many spots on offer. The whole of Concacaf is I'd say about as strong as a typical european group yet instead of 1 1/2 spots being on offer there are 3 1/2.

In say a 20 teams WC I could see....

8 European
4 South American
3 African
2 North America
2 Asian
1 Host
So despite me telling you that 2 AFC teams beat 2 CONMEBOL teams you then take 60% of our places away.
It ain't gonna happen Sunshine because Asia will be the most important emerging market to FIFA over the next 50 years with 2 thirds of the Worlds population.

Time to move on,I've already wasted too much oxygen on this 1960's idea
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Old October 11th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #7185
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It maybe a bit OT but one thing that these bids ahve really brought home to me is that the WC has gotten too big. 32 teams needing at least 12 big stadiums has really limated the number of nations which can bid for an event and dramatically increased the potential for white elephant stadia. It does seem to be that its not the 60-80K stadiums which cause problems but the 40-50K stadiums, most nations just don't have the depth to justify 6-8 of them.

I'd guess its unlikely at this stage but I'd really like to see things reduced to 16-20 teams both for that reason and a sporting perspective. As you make it easier to quality you reduce the competitiveness of qualifying itself, it used to be pretty much everyone who got to the WC had needed to show good form beforehand but these days many north america and asian teams get a spot pretty much by default. More smaller teams at the WC also means more mismatches and the resulting boring defencive football we saw in the summer.

Personally I'd like to see a format similar to that in the 1970's, 16 teams in 4 grouops of 4(or 20 in 4 groups of 5), top 2 in each group go into second group stage with the same format, top 2 qualify for semi's etc. That would give you a slightly longer WC with a max of 8-9 games rather than the current 7 but fewer games would be happening per day needing fewer stadiums. You'd also get far more games between the big sides and so more potential for great matches happening.
Shrinking the world cup is never going to happen. The television rights are FIFA's gravy train and they will never do anything to jeopardize that.

As for the number of stadiums I think you have a good point. The facility requirements are excessive particularly for bidders in the northern hemisphere who would be hosting in the summer when pitches are pristine and can handle far more traffic. They can realisitically hold a 32 team tournament with 5 or 6 venues.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 11:05 PM   #7186
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I think the 10 stadiums is so it's spread around the country.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #7187
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The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA
So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #7188
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So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.
The Index attempts to answer that question. Remove the European countries and you have a 2022 index.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 12:47 AM   #7189
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So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.
Asia and the USA aren't equivilent!
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Old October 12th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #7190
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Asia and the USA aren't equivilent!
Exactly mate.
Asia has only had it once,the Pacific and Oceania-never

The USA will be awarded 2026 uncontested if they fail in this campaign-an amazing unprecedented luxury for any nation(notwithstanding 1982)
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Old October 12th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #7191
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The USA will be awarded 2026 uncontested if they fail in this campaign-an amazing unprecedented luxury for any nation(notwithstanding 1982)
I'm sure Aussie will hammer this point home during the final presentations in November. We'll see it if works...
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Old October 12th, 2010, 02:14 AM   #7192
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Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP
Come on guys!, those were frendly matches. History dictates the power of each confederation.

Number of FIFA World Cups gained:

Europe 10
South America 9
Rest of the world 0

FIFA World Ranking (Top 10):

Europe 5
South America 4
Africa 1
Rest of the world 0

The AFC has 46 countries and only three are competitive, the rest are very weak.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 02:35 AM   #7193
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World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41
the power index all months ago




http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33321

the last power index in 29 september

[IMG]http://i51.************/24ong38.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33759

even after fifa report in september Qatar has 65 points while USA 66 and Australia only 60

we are waiting october power index after Qatar show Lusail Stadium

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Old October 12th, 2010, 02:41 AM   #7194
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Sorry, but no one gets credit for beating Paraguay in a friendly. They are notoriously the WORST team in the world when it comes to playing friendlies. But again, I have no idea what friendly matches have to do with bidding for a World Cup. That's just me, though.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 06:19 AM   #7195
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Sorry, but no one gets credit for beating Paraguay in a friendly. They are notoriously the WORST team in the world when it comes to playing friendlies. But again, I have no idea what friendly matches have to do with bidding for a World Cup. That's just me, though.
Mate,it was just a quick point in response to a bloke with a 1950's idea to cut the WC in half.It ain't happening.If you agree that CONCACAF should have just 2 spots then go ahead and support him
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Old October 12th, 2010, 07:22 AM   #7196
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Asia needs to be cut down to 4 spots.

No way Bahrain deserves a spot...

Give that extra .5 to South America wish had all 5 of its teams make it to the 2nd round in South Africa.

Have CONCACAF have a playoff against New Zealand.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 10:18 AM   #7197
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why don't we just go back to playing it just between Europe and South America and make everyone happy?
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:09 AM   #7198
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the power index all months ago




http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33321

the last power index in 29 september

[IMG]http://i51.************/24ong38.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33759

even after fifa report in september Qatar has 65 points while USA 66 and Australia only 60

we are waiting october power index after Qatar show Lusail Stadium
Phwoooaaaarrr! Look at Qatar's bid power index!! They're a shoe-in to win 2022 now.

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Asia needs to be cut down to 4 spots.

No way Bahrain deserves a spot...

Give that extra .5 to South America wish had all 5 of its teams make it to the 2nd round in South Africa.

Have CONCACAF have a playoff against New Zealand.
Probably be better off giving CONCACAF's .5 spot to COMNEBOL and take another full spot off them as well & give it to UEFA, 3.5 is way too many. 2 spots sounds more reasonable.

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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #7199
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The Power Index lost all credibility in the 2016 race. Its a random number generator.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #7200
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Oh well, as long as it makes our Qatari mates feel all warm & fuzzy inside, what's the harm?
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