daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Stadiums and Sport Arenas

Stadiums and Sport Arenas » Completed | Under Construction | Proposed | Demolished



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 2069. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools
Old October 15th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #7301
Aka
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,382
Likes (Received): 145

Quote:
Originally Posted by woozoo View Post
The conmebol qualification system is the most fair of all confederations, and it certainly isn't easy. Argentina and Brazil qualify each time because they are consistently easily two of the best teams in the world.
Oh, come on! Argentina qualified with 8 wins, 4 draws and 6 defeats!!!!!! If an European giant would have, I don't know, 4 wins, 2 draws and 3 defeats (one game missing) it would watch the World Cup on the couch. A single mistake in the European qualification could mean you're out, in South America you can draw at home with Bolivia that that won't matter that (that that that) much.

Why don't they just make two groups of 5 teams each?
Aka no está en línea  

Sponsored Links
Old October 15th, 2010, 03:10 PM   #7302
woozoo
Registered User
 
woozoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 800
Likes (Received): 185

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Rush View Post
My idea

CAF 4 or 5 (rather than 5)
UEFA 14 or 16 (rather than 13)
CONMEBOL and CONCACAF 7 or 8 or 9 (not separately!)
AFC 3 or 4
OFC 0 or 1

Not sure if that adds up to 32
If this means getting rid of Jack Warner then Im all for it.

Overall thats a pretty good suggestion for WC finals places. More specifically I wouldn't mind seeing:

CAF 4 (African teams don't perform at the world cup so could see a decrease in places).
UEFA 15 (easily strongest confederation, but I don't think should have too many places in the interest of keeping the world cup more international)
CONMEBOL and CONCACAF 9
AFC 3.5
Oceania 0.5

By current FIFA standings, from each confrederation you would see:

Egypt, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Gabon

Spain, Netherlands, Germany, England, Portugall, Croatia, Greece, Italy, Norway, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, Switzerland, Turkey, Russia

USA, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Colombia, Peru

Australia, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand

Seems like a decent balance.
woozoo está en línea ahora  
Old October 15th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #7303
AlekseyVT
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Moscow City
Posts: 8,283
Likes (Received): 7061

In SA each team played 18 matches, while in Europe - from 8 to 12 (it depend from the number of teams in group). And there were no outsiders in SA like Luxemburg, Lichtenstein or San Marino.

At qualification for WC2010 Argentina finished only 4th. All 5 SA teams reached Top16, and 4 reached Quarterfinals. Therefore, I'm sure that SA must get one more place in WC2014 (4.5 not including Brazil).
AlekseyVT no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #7304
AlekseyVT
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Moscow City
Posts: 8,283
Likes (Received): 7061

In SA each team played 18 matches, while in Europe - from 8 to 12 (it depend from the number of teams in group). And there were no outsiders in SA like Luxemburg, Lichtenstein or San Marino.

At qualification for WC2010 Argentina finished only 4th. All 5 SA teams reached Top16, and 4 reached Quarterfinals. Therefore, I'm sure that SA must get one more place in WC2014 (4.5 not including Brazil).
AlekseyVT no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #7305
Mo Rush
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 28,964
Likes (Received): 74

Previous winners should be guaranteed entry into next WC alongside hosts.
Mo Rush no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #7306
woozoo
Registered User
 
woozoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 800
Likes (Received): 185

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aka View Post
Oh, come on! Argentina qualified with 8 wins, 4 draws and 6 defeats!!!!!! If an European giant would have, I don't know, 4 wins, 2 draws and 3 defeats (one game missing) it would watch the World Cup on the couch. A single mistake in the European qualification could mean you're out, in South America you can draw at home with Bolivia that that won't matter that (that that that) much.
In Europe a team like Spain may face a team like Andorra, or Luxemburg, as well as another minnow. It also won't face any of the other top European nations due to seading. In CONMEBOL, Brazil would face Argentina, and there are usually 6 or 7 of the ten teams which are strong and every team is strong and capable enough beating Brazil or Argentina in an upset. You would expect a few losses for the top CONMEBOL countries in their qualifying due to the more difficult opposition.

Quote:
Why don't they just make two groups of 5 teams each?
Each team, playing each other team home and away is a more fair system. Why would you change it? I didn't say it was less difficult to qualify through CONMEBOL than UEFA, just that it wasn't easy. The reason quality European teams miss out occasionaly, is that they play in a small group where only 1.5 teams prgress, a couple of mistakes results in disaster. Thats said, its very rare for the top European teams to miss out unless they go through a form slump/manger trouble etc during qualifying. But this is evidence that the CONMEBOL system is more fair. More games, played over a longer period of time is a better evaluator of team quality - hence Argentina and Brazil always get through.
woozoo está en línea ahora  
Old October 15th, 2010, 08:11 PM   #7307
Bolsilludo
Yo ♥ Europa & Cono Sur
 
Bolsilludo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Montevideo URUGUAY
Posts: 4,951
Likes (Received): 4861

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aka View Post
I just think that qualification in South America should become a bit more difficult. A ten team league is just too easy for Brazil and Argentina. They've struggled some times? Yeah! But imagine if that happened with an European team, for example.
The South American qualifiers are easy?, come on!. It seems that you know NOTHING about our qualification process.
In the qualifiers for the 2002 world cup, Brazil had to wait until the last round to qualify, yes BRAZIL!. And what to say about Argentina... well Argentina in the last qualifiers almost had to play the playoffs!. So, don't tell me that the CONMEBOL's qualification process it's easy.
The South American countries have to play 18 matches to qualify, 20 if a country have to play playoffs. In no other part of the world, except Mexico, you have to play at high altitude. And in the AFC with which countries do you have to play?, North Korea?, Uzbekistan?,... give me a break!.
__________________

..........
......


CONO SUR
CHILE - ARGENTINA - URUGUAY
Bolsilludo no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #7308
Bolsilludo
Yo ♥ Europa & Cono Sur
 
Bolsilludo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Montevideo URUGUAY
Posts: 4,951
Likes (Received): 4861

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Rush View Post
My idea

CAF 4 or 5 (rather than 5)
UEFA 14 or 16 (rather than 13)
CONMEBOL and CONCACAF 7 or 8 or 9 (not separately!)AFC 3 or 4
OFC 0 or 1

Not sure if that adds up to 32
That's a crazy idea!. The CONCACAF will NEVER accept to play with CONMEBOL's teams. If that happens, countries like the United States and Mexico will dramatically increase their difficulties to qualify to the world cups.
__________________

..........
......


CONO SUR
CHILE - ARGENTINA - URUGUAY
Bolsilludo no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #7309
BIPV
Registered User
 
BIPV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montevideo
Posts: 594
Likes (Received): 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aka View Post
Oh, come on! Argentina qualified with 8 wins, 4 draws and 6 defeats!!!!!! If an European giant would have, I don't know, 4 wins, 2 draws and 3 defeats (one game missing) it would watch the World Cup on the couch. A single mistake in the European qualification could mean you're out, in South America you can draw at home with Bolivia that that won't matter that (that that that) much.

Why don't they just make two groups of 5 teams each?
Your point actually proves how difficult qualifying in CONMEBOL really is... An international powerhouse like Arg. only finished 2 games above .500
__________________
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

-A. Einstein
BIPV no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #7310
boyerling3
Registered User
 
boyerling3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas
Posts: 146
Likes (Received): 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Rush View Post
Previous winners should be guaranteed entry into next WC alongside hosts.
definitely not. Italy and France this summer proved that past winners can still be terrible and don't deserve something just because they used to be better. I could understand immediate qualification of the most recent winner, but not all of them.
boyerling3 no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #7311
Paul D
CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER
 
Paul D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 18,386
Likes (Received): 6717

England withdraw bid for 2022 World Cup

England have withdrawn from the race to host the 2022 World Cup after the United States ended their bid to stage the 2018 tournament.

England will now focus entirely on their campaign for 2018, which will definitely be held in Europe.

This is because of Fifa rules that the competition cannot be held on the same continent on successive occasions.

England and Russia remain in the running for 2018 along with joint bids by Belgium/Holland and Spain/Portugal.

The United States had been the last non-European bidders remaining in the race for 2018 following Australia's withdrawal in June and remained in contention for both 2018 and 2022.

Chairman of the US committee, Sunil Gulati, said: "For some time we have been in conversations with Fifa and Uefa about the possibility of focusing only on the 2022 bidding process.
"We are confident this is in the best interests of the USA bid. We wanted to make the announcement now - still 48 days before the final decision - in order to make our intentions clear during the last part of our campaign.

"This also enables Fifa to finalise the selection procedures during its upcoming scheduled executive committee meeting."

That meeting will take place in Zurich on 28 and 29 October.

Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke said: "We have had an open and constructive dialogue with the USA bid for some time now, after it became apparent that there was a growing movement to stage the 2018 Fifa World Cup in Europe.

"The announcement by the USA bid to focus solely on the 2022 Fifa World Cup is therefore a welcome gesture which is much appreciated by Fifa."


The prime minister encouraged Trinidad and Tobago to support England's bid

A number 10 statement

A statement from the England bid team read: "England 2018/22 today confirmed to Fifa that it was withdrawing its candidature from the Fifa World Cup 2022 and will now focus on its bid to host the tournament in 2018.

"This followed consultation with Uefa president Michel Platini on the most appropriate moment to withdraw.

"England 2018 is delighted it is now clear that the Fifa World Cup will be coming to Europe in 2018 following the withdrawal of the United States bid."

On Friday Prime Minister David Cameron met his Trinidad and Tobago counterpart Kamla Persad-Bissessar to canvas support.

Persad-Bissessar is a political ally of Fifa vice-president Jack Warner, who is a member of her cabinet as well as head of the North and Central American football federation Concacaf.

Concacaf has three votes on Fifa's executive committee meaning Warner is likely to have been an influential voice when the 2018 hosts are chosen on 2 December.

Mr Cameron's predecessor Gordon Brown met Warner for face-to-face talks during a visit to Trinidad last year.

After the meeting at Downing Street, a Number 10 spokesman said: "The prime minister congratulated Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar on her country's work as chair in office of the Commonwealth.

"They agreed to work closely to help the organisation realise its enormous potential, particularly in fostering international trade.

"The prime minister also updated Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar on England's bid to stage the 2018 World Cup and the lasting legacy the tournament could have worldwide, and encouraged Trinidad and Tobago to support England's bid."

Fifa president Sepp Blatter visited Mr Cameron on Wednesday at Downing Street, where he saw a presentation by ambassadors for the England bid.
Paul D no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #7312
Rev Stickleback
Registered User
 
Rev Stickleback's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,107
Likes (Received): 1921

Quote:
Originally Posted by woozoo View Post
In Europe a team like Spain may face a team like Andorra, or Luxemburg, as well as another minnow. It also won't face any of the other top European nations due to seading. In CONMEBOL, Brazil would face Argentina, and there are usually 6 or 7 of the ten teams which are strong and every team is strong and capable enough beating Brazil or Argentina in an upset. You would expect a few losses for the top CONMEBOL countries in their qualifying due to the more difficult opposition.
The likes of Andorra are just making up the numbers. It's not the case that finishing above Andorra means you qualify. If South America had a few extra nations of Andorra standard, it wouldn't make qualifying from that contient any easier.

Plenty of bigger euro nations have failed to qualify for world cups, because the 2nd, 3rd and even 4th seeds can be expected to give teams tough games.

The groups are seeded, but the number of groups, and the small number of spaces available per group, reduces the margin for error significantly. One bad result could see a seed dumped out, or forced into a play-off.
Rev Stickleback no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 09:36 PM   #7313
MoreOrLess
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes (Received): 228

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimB View Post
The idea of returning to a World Cup finals of 24 teams will never happen. That doesn't mean that it is necessarily an "idiotic" suggestion.

Forget, for a minute, the irrelevant (in terms of bidding for the right to host the World Cup) arguments as to how many places should be culled from which continental organisations.

MoreOrLess' principle argument (which has subsequently been ignored) is that, because there are now so many teams that qualify for the finals and because FIFA consequently require 10 or 12 stadia of sufficient size and quality, in a minimum of 9 separate cities of sufficient size and quality, the bloated tournament eliminates the possibility of all but a small handful of countries being able to host the World Cup without having to build expensive and wasteful white elephants.

MoreOrLess was suggesting that, by making the tournament itself less elitist, FIFA has ironically made the bidding process more elitist. It's a perceptive and perfectly reasonable argument.

It's just a shame that too many people (yourself included) forgot that this is a thread about World Cup hosting bids (rather than a pissing contest about football teams and the quality of football in various continents). If they hadn't, maybe you wouldn't have had to complain about the last three pages?
As I said I think its often those extra 3-4 45K stadia that are the real problem for alot of potential hosts. Outside of places like England, Spain and Italy the setup is afterall normally 2-3 big domestic teams then a sizeble dropoff in quality, add to that the national team and the potential for other events in a big stadium in the capital and the 60K+ venues will likely see decent useage. Those 45K stadia on the other hand are in many cases doomed to end up as white elephants hosting smaller teams that come nowhere close to filling them.

My original post didnt actually even pass much comment on the quality of different feds since the 20 place WC I discribed took spots away from all of them(europe 8 rather than 13 for example).

My point was much more than I think a smaller WC finals would be both a truer test of achievement AND a more entertaining event. In a smaller WC just being at the event is an achievement for everyone so the luck element of just 7 games desiding the outcome is reduced. A smaller world cup with a second group phase also means that quality in form side will play each other more often(and reduces the number of pen shootouts). Just for example compair this years WC with 1978's, look at the big matches in both of them....

1978

Italy vs France
Argentina vs France
Argentina vs Italy
Poland vs West Germany
Brazil vs Spain
Neatherlands vs Italy
Neatherlands vs West Germany
Italy vs West Germany
Poland vs Brazil
Brazil vs Argentina
Poland vs Aregtnina
Italy vs Brazil
Neatherlands vs Argentina

2010

Brazil vs Portugal
England vs Germany
Portugal vs Spain
Argentina vs Germany
Neatherlands vs Brazil
Germany vs Spain
Neatherlands vs Spain

Thats almost twice as many big games dispite almost half the number of total games. Not all of them were classics in 78 of course but the more matches you have the more chance you'll get those 2-3 games that people remember WC's by.
MoreOrLess no está en línea  
Old October 15th, 2010, 09:38 PM   #7314
Bolsilludo
Yo ♥ Europa & Cono Sur
 
Bolsilludo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Montevideo URUGUAY
Posts: 4,951
Likes (Received): 4861

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
England withdraw bid for 2022 World Cup

England have withdrawn from the race to host the 2022 World Cup after the United States ended their bid to stage the 2018 tournament.
Well that's all, England will get the 2018 wc and USA the 2022 wc.
__________________

..........
......


CONO SUR
CHILE - ARGENTINA - URUGUAY
Bolsilludo no está en línea  
Old October 16th, 2010, 12:28 AM   #7315
coth
pride leader
 
coth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Moscow
Posts: 21,630
Likes (Received): 6818

That doesn't change anything really.
__________________
coth no está en línea  
Old October 16th, 2010, 12:45 AM   #7316
Bolsilludo
Yo ♥ Europa & Cono Sur
 
Bolsilludo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Montevideo URUGUAY
Posts: 4,951
Likes (Received): 4861

Are you sure?.
__________________

..........
......


CONO SUR
CHILE - ARGENTINA - URUGUAY
Bolsilludo no está en línea  
Old October 16th, 2010, 01:15 AM   #7317
boyerling3
Registered User
 
boyerling3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas
Posts: 146
Likes (Received): 4

Quote:
U.S. focuses on hosting rights for 2022
Associated Press
GENEVA -- The World Cup bidding contests became a lot clearer Friday after the United States withdrew from the 2018 race to focus on earning hosting rights for 2022.

The move guaranteed that Europe would host the 2018 finals, with England, Russia and the joint bids of Netherlands-Belgium and Spain-Portugal still in the running.

The U.S. will compete with four Asian confederation candidates -- Australia, Japan, Qatar and South Korea -- to stage soccer's showpiece tournament four years later.

FIFA's 24-man executive committee will choose both hosts in Zurich on Dec. 2.

FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke described the U.S. decision as "a welcome gesture which is much appreciated."

"We have had an open and constructive dialogue with the USA bid for some time now, after it became apparent that there was a growing movement to stage the 2018 World Cup in Europe," Valcke said in a statement.

U.S. bid leader Sunil Gulati said his team was "confident this is in the best interests" of the American campaign.

Within minutes of the joint FIFA-U.S. announcement, England said it was pulling out of the 2022 contest.

The move was a formality as FIFA rules stipulate that successive World Cups cannot be played on the same continent.

Europe was long expected to host in 2018 because the 2010 tournament was in South Africa and the 2014 finals are in Brazil.

Soccer's strongest and wealthiest continent last staged the finals in Germany in 2006 and has never previously had to wait more than eight years between editions since the first tournament in 1930.

Gulati said focusing on 2022 would make the U.S. bid's intentions clear in the last phase of campaigning.

"This also enables FIFA to finalize the selection procedures during its upcoming scheduled executive committee meeting," Gulati said.

FIFA's executive committee will gather from Oct. 28-29 in Zurich, where it will decide on voting rules.

Eight of the nine bidders have their own representative on the ruling panel, while the other -- Australia -- has been pledged the vote of Oceania confederation chairman Reynald Temarii.

Australia withdrew its 2018 bid during the World Cup in June, while Japan pulled out earlier this year. Qatar and South Korea have never been in the earlier contest, focusing only on 2022 since FIFA sought official candidates in January 2009.

Among the European bidders, England (1966) and Spain (1982) have previously hosted the finals.

Russia has never hosted a major soccer championship, while the Dutch and Belgians teamed up to host the 2000 European Championships. Portugal staged Euro 2004.

The U.S hosted the 1994 World Cup, while Japan and South Korea combined forces in 2002 when the tournament came to Asia for the only time.

FIFA's continental rule also could influence the 2022 outcome, should voters have an eye on soccer's largest untapped market.

China's federation said in July it wants to host in 2026 -- a potential campaign that could prompt FIFA to keep Asia in the game by going to the U.S. four years earlier.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/new...ts-energy-2022
boyerling3 no está en línea  
Old October 16th, 2010, 03:41 AM   #7318
_X_
Registered User
 
_X_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Geelong,Australia
Posts: 1,387
Likes (Received): 510

Terrific formal news for Australias bid team-great
__________________
Valcke-"Qatar bought World Cup",Platini-" We can't air condition the beaches and the streets in Qatar",Chuck Blazer-"you can't air condition a whole country",Phillip Lahm-"Qatar decision'madness' ",Wenger-" Winter World Cup Would Cause Problems Between Clubs, Countries And FIFA"
_X_ no está en línea  
Old October 16th, 2010, 03:59 AM   #7319
CaliforniaJones
Registered User
 
CaliforniaJones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Orange County
Posts: 369
Likes (Received): 255

The FIFA Inspection group will deliver a technical report on november.
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33810

Then a big battle will prevail for two weeks before the vote.

2018: England vs Russia
2022: USA vs Australia vs Qatar

The three CONCACAF votes could go for England.
__________________
My Globe-Trotter network
http://gttravel.ning.com
CaliforniaJones está en línea ahora  
Old October 16th, 2010, 04:35 AM   #7320
_X_
Registered User
 
_X_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Geelong,Australia
Posts: 1,387
Likes (Received): 510

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaJones View Post
The FIFA Inspection group will deliver a technical report on november.
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33810

Then a big battle will prevail for two weeks before the vote.

2018: England vs Russia
2022: USA vs Australia
fixed
The Doha bid will be shown the door before the vote
__________________
Valcke-"Qatar bought World Cup",Platini-" We can't air condition the beaches and the streets in Qatar",Chuck Blazer-"you can't air condition a whole country",Phillip Lahm-"Qatar decision'madness' ",Wenger-" Winter World Cup Would Cause Problems Between Clubs, Countries And FIFA"
_X_ no está en línea  


Closed Thread

Tags
australia, united states of america, world cup

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu