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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #7621
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The flag burning wasn't racist because Americans aren't a race. It was though stupid and very distasteful and actually most comments from Man Utd and Liverpool fans say as much. It was as bad as the banner in a way.

Two key differences though. Most English people disassociated themselves from this group of morons. The Russians here by contrast have been going out of their way to defend the racist banner by insisting it wasn't and saying instead that the story was made up by foreign press. Secondly, the Russian banner was taken inside a stadium and is therefore under the Russian FA's juristiction. That's why they have to bare resposibility. How did it get in and why wasn't it taken down? The flag incident by contrast was not inside a stadium or during a match. It was a few people at a protest which got a bit out of hand.

The flag burning was looked down on and not the responsibilty of our FA anyway. The racist banner was excused by the organisation whose responsibilty it is to make sure such banners don't appear i.e. the Russian FA. The stupidity of the two groups of fans might have been similar but that's where the similarity ends when these incidents are seen in light of the world cup bids. The Russian FA has failed in its responsibility by not acting on the banner and that may or may not impact the world cup bid. The English FA bares no responsibility for the flag incident so it oughtn't damage England's bid to the same extent.

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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:41 AM   #7622
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Which is more spiteful?
Aah, the irony, gotta love it
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #7623
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Aah, the irony, gotta love it
I laughed my ass of when I saw that. Made the late night even more worth it, despite the derby win.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:47 AM   #7624
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Young people get drunk. It must be a first.

How does that impact on England's ability to host exactly?
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LOL chill out man. I'm not bashing Russians. I just thought that was hilarious because the reporter is investigating rumors about workers drinking on the job.

One more time...

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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #7625
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Does anybody believe there is no racism in UK?
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:53 AM   #7626
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"Yeah...Another Time" The answer you're looking for is, it doesn't.

And of course racism exists in the U.K., the difference is we don't then have our top guy in football say "oh it wasn't racist, banana's mean the player was not very good". Our Football executives completely condemn it.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #7627
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LOL chill out man. I'm not bashing Russians. I just thought that was hilarious because the reporter is investigating rumors about workers drinking on the job.

One more time...

The funniest part is that guy was disfigured from birth, not drunk. Laughing at disabled people is so much fun.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:58 AM   #7628
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Does anybody believe there is no racism in UK?
No, sad as it is, nobody believes this. However, racism in most European countries, including Russia, is worse than here.

Do Russians believe that there is no racism in Russia? Or is it still a completely crime-free perfect society, as everyone knows.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:04 AM   #7629
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"Yeah...Another Time" The answer you're looking for is, it doesn't.

And of course racism exists in the U.K., the difference is we don't then have our top guy in football say "oh it wasn't racist, banana's mean the player was not very good". Our Football executives completely condemn it.
This is exactly the point. This whole story would have dissapeared WEEKS ago but for the Russian FA's reaction to it. It's a minor story which has become bigger and that is entirely the fault of the Russian FA for not condemning the banner.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #7630
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Does anybody believe there is no racism in UK?
Nope, but I've been to a Zenit home game where there was a black player on the field.

I've never experienced anything like anywhere in the UK, or indeed anywhere else in the world where I've watched football (which is a fair few countries)

To be truthful there wasn't much in the way of hostility towards him. The monkey chants were just regarded as one great big joke by the crowd (and a it was a large portion of the crowd), who found doing it hilarious. It was just a bit of fun to most of them. No big deal.

And that's kind of the problem.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:06 AM   #7631
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No, sad as it is, nobody believes this. However, racism in most European countries, including Russia, is worse than here.

Do Russians believe that there is no racism in Russia? Or is it still a completely crime-free perfect society, as everyone knows.
Yes, there is racism in Russia. You may convince someone that this is exactly the reason why Russia shouldn't host world cup and England should, but we are again come back to the original question, is it fair to attack rival countries instead of promoting its own?
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #7632
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Yes, there is racism in Russia. You may convince someone that this is exactly the reason why Russia shouldn't host world cup and England should, but we are again come back to the original question, is it fair to attack rival countries instead of promoting its own?
What you call attacking we call journalism. This was newsworthy and was picked up on and sadly becuase of the Russian FA reaction it has become a bigger story than it ever should have been.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:16 AM   #7634
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Yes, there is racism in Russia. You may convince someone that this is exactly the reason why Russia shouldn't host world cup and England should, but we are again come back to the original question, is it fair to attack rival countries instead of promoting its own?
This is exactly what the last few pages have been about, the Russian representative saying that London has high crime and large underage drinking and has, whether intentional or not, slandered the English bid.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:24 AM   #7635
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This is exactly what the last few pages have been about, the Russian representative saying that London has high crime and large underage drinking and has, whether intentional or not, slandered the English bid.
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Is case closed?
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:28 AM   #7636
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Of course, as long as that's ok with Russia____WC____2018
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #7637
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Yes, there is racism in Russia. You may convince someone that this is exactly the reason why Russia shouldn't host world cup and England should, but we are again come back to the original question, is it fair to attack rival countries instead of promoting its own?
Did you see our bid representative say anything even slightly insulting about the racism in Russian football as a means of slandering your bid?

I think, the point is, the Russian FA have handled both the London jibes and the banana incident badly, and that will have a negative effect on their bid, possibly dealing it a fatal blow. It's really quite hard to argue against that.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #7638
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Old October 20th, 2010, 02:44 AM   #7639
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The joke was about the premise of the video...not about the guy's disability. Really glad the guy got help though!
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16*Australia
20*United Kingdom
20*United States
94*Qatar
108*United States (extra-territorial)
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153*Russia
168*People's Republic of China
174*North Korea
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