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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:00 AM   #7641
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Those ratings are not the math science, they are biased and based on "expert" opinion about the countries they probably never been to.
How the heck you can estimate press freedom, say in FYROM?
But that's really not an appropriate thread to discuss this kind of things and it has nothing common with football.

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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:17 AM   #7642
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Press Freedom Index
1*Denmark
1*Sweden
1*Norway
1*Ireland
1*Finland
6*Estonia
13*New Zealand
16*Australia
20*United Kingdom
20*United States
94*Qatar
108*United States (extra-territorial)
150*Israel
153*Russia
168*People's Republic of China
174*North Korea
175*Eritrea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index
What connection between "press freedom" and World Cup?
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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:24 AM   #7643
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Young people get drunk. It must be a first.

How does that impact on England's ability to host exactly?
Ooops... Firstly you say that this is connected with English bid and Sorokin broken ethical principles. Now you say that it's not connected with it.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:31 AM   #7644
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i thought england's bid had been ruined after the whole triesman saga but i know think england are creeping torwards the bid.

Spain/Portugal- poor financial situation in spain pretty much rules them out in my opinion, unfortunate looked a strong bid

Belgium/ holland probably the weakest bid out of the european bids and probable lack of funds in euro countries.

Russia- strong, rich country, unfortunate racism in crowds, head of russian bid insults english bid in public which against the rules probably ruins bid. shame would like to see a russian world cup one day


before any russian people start saying i am insulting them there are racist in every country in the world, including england and russia but the difference is that it is simply not tolerated anymore, we have changed since the 1970's and 1980's we no longer through banana's or monkey nuts at our black players or sing racist chants, we no longer have widespread holigians (MILLWALL vs WEST Ham game aside) so i think if russia takes what we did 20 years ago on board and change the way the game is run then eventually you will win the rights to host the World Cup


ps- sorry for the terrible spelling
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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:16 AM   #7645
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A good 2-0 win for England.Where was Russia..oh you didnt qualify as normalIve got it..EUREKA..you want to host a world cup so you actually get to play in one..good luck
Ohhh, guys. We are a modest country which have a national team of middle-class. As you was mentioned we're want to host WC because this is only chance to see Russian team in the main tournament.

After Soviet collapse jokes about Russian football became an essential attribute of the numerous humorous TV and show programs. If a comedian never joking about Russian football, then he is a bad comedian.

However, when such "soap bubble" as the English team with a great conceit not able to beat such a football "superpowers" as Algeria or Trinidad, it really became funny. It's always funny to look at a persons with a big ego, when they are falls from the imaginary sky to the earth.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:17 AM   #7646
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What's wrong with your spelling? I can't see anything

Belgium/holland well what can I say, momentum none = GONE
Spain/Portugal supposedly caught in the bribes scandal = GONE

That leaves England versus Russia in an epic battle for the 2018 hosting rights!

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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:45 AM   #7647
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GOOD EXAMPLES HOW THE WESTERN PROPAGANDA WORKING:

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Seriously though, who does everyone think the two countries are?
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Anyone involved is more than capable I'd guess but Russia and Dpha seem the most likely to me.
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Yeah almost 100% certain it is Russia and Doha.
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And yes - Russia is the likely second suspect - not as rich but with a much more realistic bid - maybe looking for those last few bids that could swing it their way rather than an outright shopping trip.
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One is an Asian country and one is a European country. Guess away.
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Gotta go with Russia and Qatar.
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this.
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exactly
on your guesses, I'm with you
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first article I've found naming any country: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle604223.html

FIFA chiefs are set to suspend shamed duo Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii tomorrow – and have opened a probe into claims that Spain and Qatar have been part of an illegal vote-bartering cartel.
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Well the Russians seems to be off the hook according to the previous report.
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Yeah, granted, it was really, really f*cking stupid, but still not as bad as the Russians.
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However, racism in most European countries, including Russia, is worse than here.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:57 AM   #7648
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Russians talking about propaganda. Lol.

Seriously, as long as you lot insist an obviously racist baner wasn't racist you've no right to accuse others of being blinded by propaganda.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:59 AM   #7649
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The leader of Russia's bid to host the 2018 World Cup has backtracked on his criticism of England's suitability to stage the tournament.

Alexei Sorokin risked punishment from Fifa when he was quoted in a Russian newspaper talking about both the crime-rate and the level of alcohol consumption in London. However, an official spokesman for the Russian bid has since said that Sorokin "regrets" if his statements have "led to such an erroneous interpretation and understanding."


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...h-2111189.html
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Old October 20th, 2010, 09:59 AM   #7650
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I'd say your attitude in this thread is a much better example of Russian domestic propagnda working.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 10:07 AM   #7651
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Russians talking about propaganda. Lol.
As you can see, nobody of the Russians accused the Brits for bribery. Of course, the Russians, who lived in the Soviet times know more about the role of propaganda and how it works. Brits don't know it.

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Seriously, as long as you lot insist an obviously racist baner wasn't racist you've no right to accuse others of being blinded by propaganda.
I mean that this incident (of course, shameful for us) was artificially inflated British propaganda and does not characterize the real state of racism in Russia. Burning of the American flag looked more disgusting.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #7652
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I'd say your attitude in this thread is a much better example of Russian domestic propagnda working.
Examples, pls
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Old October 20th, 2010, 10:12 AM   #7653
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yawn
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Old October 20th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #7654
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I mean that this incident (of course, shameful for us.)
I'm glad you think it was shameful. Perhaps you could tell that to virtually every other Russian in this thread AND the head of your nation's bid who still insist it was innocent and nothing to be ashamed of!
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:02 AM   #7655
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I'm glad you think it was shameful. Perhaps you could tell that to virtually every other Russian in this thread AND the head of your nation's bid who still insist it was innocent and nothing to be ashamed of!
I'm sure that almost every Russian forumer does not support the idea with this banner and don't want to see it in the future. They just say about extent of the problem, which has been artificially inflated. It was no more than personal insult to the player, organized a small group of stupid fans.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #7656
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Hosting WC in Russia will definitely help to solve racism problems in Russia by attracting public attention to this kind of issues.
One of the advantages of Russia will be multicultural nature of the country and some of games will take place in Muslim areas.
Another advantage is that this will boost construction of football and other infrastructural objects in Russia, improving that part of the world.
Now there is active discussion regarding lifting visa regime with EU, I hope final division will be done before 2018.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #7657
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All undoubedly true and a big selling point; I'm quite certain England wasn't in the best place when it was awarded Euro 96 yet that acted as a catalyst. Dealing with such issues correctly can be a real boost for Russia and its world cup bid. Unfortunately, the Russian FA's denials over this silly banner show anything but the correct approach so far.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 12:04 PM   #7658
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In terms of bid videos, Russia is in the lead.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #7659
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World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41
World Cup Bid Index 1.3

Out of 100

England 83
Russia 79
Australia 74
Spain-Portugal 72
USA 68
Japan 56
Belgium-Neterlands 55
South Korea 50
Qatar 42
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #7660
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Ok, let to think:

1) In 2013 Moscow stadium Luzhniki will be host World Championships in Athletics. This competition will be held within 9 days. There will be among 2100 athletes, and black-skin athletes (Afro-American sprinters, African stayers) will be played leading roles (like Asians or Latin Americans in some disciplines).
2) In 2013 Kazan will be host Summer Universiade. This competition will be held within 11 days. There will be among 10.000 participants, and black-skin students also will be played same roles.
3) In 2014 Sochi will be host Winter Olympic Games. This competition will be held within 17 days. There will be among 2600 participants. Of course, there are not so many black-skin athletes who played leading roles in the winter kinds of sport, but there will be not small numbers of participants from the African states.
4) There will be among 900 football players in the WC2018.

Therefore, for Brits one stupid banner is a main argument in the anti-PR company against WC2018 in Russia. But it only shows the weakness of British argumentation.
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