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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #7961
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I think it is clear that if Qatar win that some deal making has been done that goes against any common sense, even if FIFA say all is fine. They will do everything to cover their backsides, to create an atmosphere that all is well.

The Spain and Qatari vote collusion makes sense, based on comments that came out of Sth America, from the Argentine and Brazilan govt officials. It seemed strange that they were so commited to the votes going to Qatar, that there must be something in it for them.

We will all have to wait and see, but if the US or Australia do not win for 2022, all credibility will be out the door.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #7962
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These odds don't necessarily accurately reflect the chances of each bidding nation.

These are all British bookmakers. So there will inevitably be an unusually high proportion of bets placed on England to win.

I dare say that Russian bookmakers' odds have Russia at the shortest price.
Is the Holland/Belgium bid really that bad? It has hardly got any attention and has been written off by so many.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #7963
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I think it is clear that if Qatar win that some deal making has been done that goes against any common sense, even if FIFA say all is fine. They will do everything to cover their backsides, to create an atmosphere that all is well.

The Spain and Qatari vote collusion makes sense, based on comments that came out of Sth America, from the Argentine and Brazilan govt officials. It seemed strange that they were so commited to the votes going to Qatar, that there must be something in it for them.

We will all have to wait and see, but if the US or Australia do not win for 2022, all credibility will be out the door.
Absolutely there is definite collusion going on and Qatar is buying votes because they can. FIFA's first mistake was to allow joint bids, next they didn't take out rubbish bids such as Qatar whose only hope is to bribe their way to victory. If FIFA don't ban Spain/Portugal and Qatar mid November then all hell will break loose in world football.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #7964
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Is the Holland/Belgium bid really that bad? It has hardly got any attention and has been written off by so many.
I think Holland and Belgium just have nothing going for them. They're not in the media spotlight, they don't have a great campaign, I mean having a few people do a Mexican wave is not a great way to sell your nation. I don't know, you'd think they would have some power within FIFA but quite frankly they've got almost no chance, even with Spain/Portugal's elimination from the bid it's England vs Russia and the thing is if Russia has done any "deals" as well then those executives also start getting nervous and England is definitely in prime position.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #7965
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Nothing wrong with joints bid per se, and it could just as easily have been England or Russia colluding with the Qataris. Perhaps a shortlist a la the IOC might be an idea. Weed out the unrealistic bids prior to the vote.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:35 PM   #7966
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I think it is clear that if Qatar win that some deal making has been done that goes against any common sense, even if FIFA say all is fine. They will do everything to cover their backsides, to create an atmosphere that all is well.

The Spain and Qatari vote collusion makes sense, based on comments that came out of Sth America, from the Argentine and Brazilan govt officials. It seemed strange that they were so commited to the votes going to Qatar, that there must be something in it for them.

We will all have to wait and see, but if the US or Australia do not win for 2022, all credibility will be out the door.
Qatar supported Brazil 2014 and will support Argentine bid in future also Qatar have strong relations with these countries so nothing strange when they give their votes to Qatar.

just take it easy that not first time your country losing votes against Qatar that happen in AFC Cup 2011 and will happen many times till we see your country has seat in FIFA and strong relations in AFC and alliances around the world as Qatar.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:37 PM   #7967
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Is the Holland/Belgium bid really that bad? It has hardly got any attention and has been written off by so many.
Not at all. They actually have a good bid - although a rather high proportion of their stadia will understandably be of the minimum required capacity. They could be the dark horses.

But, as things stand, they have zero momentum (if that counts for anything). All the whispers seem to suggest England or Russia.

As to joint bids, in an ideal world I think FIFA would prefer single bidding nations. And I'm quite certain that UEFA would prefer England or Russia.......because, if either of the joint bids win, it will mean one less qualification place for UEFA. But it is inevitable that more and more countries that cannot justify bidding exclusively, will team up to bid with a neighbouring nation. So, as Rob says, nothing wrong with a joint bid per se.

Spain / Portugal, however, is a different matter. I'm pretty sure that FIFA will not approve of a joint bid in which one country is clearly the junior partner - especially when the other country is more than capable of hosting on its own.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #7968
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Absolutely there is definite collusion going on and Qatar is buying votes because they can. FIFA's first mistake was to allow joint bids, next they didn't take out rubbish bids such as Qatar whose only hope is to bribe their way to victory. If FIFA don't ban Spain/Portugal and Qatar mid November then all hell will break loose in world football.
nobody paid bribe other than Australia because they dont have vote in FIFA
and for same reason FIFA banned Oceana member

Qatar has the right to vote Spain or England or any country they find their interest in.

every thing was clear since long time we told you long time ago there no chance for Australia you lost AFC 2011 and you will lost this bid too till you have effect in AFC and FIFA and make real alliance in world not new enemies and bribe scandal as Tahiti member.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #7969
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Yea, Australia doesn't have any alliances around the world. We're just a tiny, minuscule country. Oh wait...
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #7970
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nobody paid bribe other than Australia because they dont have vote in FIFA
and for same reason FIFA banned Oceana member

Qatar has the right to vote Spain or England or any country they find their interest in.

every thing was clear since long time we told you long time ago there no chance for Australia you lost AFC 2011 and you will lost this bid too till you have effect in AFC and FIFA and make real alliance in world not new enemies and bribe scandal as Tahiti member.
Yes because our bid is the one which is currently under scrutiny...

Look in your own back yard before making such outlandish claims.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #7971
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Qatar supported Brazil 2014 and will support Argentine bid in future also Qatar have strong relations with these countries so nothing strange when they give their votes to Qatar.
I'm pretty sure Brazil was unopposed for 2014...
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:46 PM   #7972
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Qatar doesn't exist

Nup,they don't

They can't

It's OK,I found them
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #7973
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Britain insist that Russia can't host WC ostensibly because of racism. But your behavior guys towards of Qatar isn't really better than any kind of racism...
Jokes like country doesn't exist are completely unacceptable.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #7974
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All these discussions are pointless anyway...

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Paul the Octopus, who rose to prominence for his accurate predictions of Germany's matches, has died.

Said to have been born in January 2008 in Weymouth, England, the octopus predicted the correct result of all but two of Germany's games during Euro 2008, failing to predict the defeats to Croatia and Spain.

At this summer's World Cup, he maintained a 100% record, getting all Germany's results right before opting for Spain to beat Netherlands in the final.

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His owners rejected offers from bookmakers for Paul after the World Cup as the octopus went into retirement, but his final prediction was that England would win the rights to host the 2018 World Cup.

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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:52 PM   #7975
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:52 PM   #7976
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Yes because our bid is the one which is currently under scrutiny...

Look in your own back yard before making such outlandish claims.
yes all i saw on FIFA web site is an offical investigation wtih Australia in june due bribe and recently the offical suspend to oceania member.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #7977
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Britain insist that Russia can't host WC ostensibly because of racism. But your behavior guys towards of Qatar isn't really better than any kind of racism...
we dont care what british or Australians says since the world is backing Qatar bid and we has history with Australia when we won our AFC Cup 2011 bid they tried every things but the whole Asia voted for Qatar.

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Old October 26th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #7978
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yes all i saw on FIFA web site is an offical investigation wtih Australia in june due bribe and recently the offical suspend to oceania member.
Australia was cleared of doing anything wrong, Australia didn't bribe or collude with anybody unlike Qatar (whose only way of winning was to do that). Anybody and everybody from every nation England, Russia, Australia, Spain/Portugal, Japan, South Korea, Holland/Belgium and the whole freggin world could see the only way Qatar were ever going to get this world cup was through corruption and underhanded tactics during the bidding process because Qatar is the least deserving nation to EVER bid for a Football World Cup. It has made the FIFA bidding process and the entire integrity of FIFA an absolute utter joke.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #7979
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Australia was cleared of doing anything wrong, Australia didn't bribe or collude with anybody unlike Qatar (whose only way of winning was to do that). Anybody and everybody from every nation England, Russia, Australia, Spain/Portugal, Japan, South Korea, Holland/Belgium and the whole freggin world could see the only way Qatar were ever going to get this world cup was through corruption and underhanded tactics during the bidding process because Qatar is the least deserving nation to EVER bid for a Football World Cup. It has made the FIFA bidding process and the entire integrity of FIFA an absolute utter joke.
our member is still in FIFA and he is the head of AFC

you are who use bribes and this normal in your continent that why FIFA suspended Oceana member in big scandal lol
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Old October 26th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #7980
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our member is still in FIFA and he is the head of AFC

you are who use bribes and this normal in your continent that why FIFA suspended Oceana member in big scandal lol
I'd learn how to spell Oceania first and I haven't heard of any investigation into Australia or England, Bin Hammam has been called up to the FIFA investigation committee, adios amigos !!
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