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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 7th, 2006, 09:46 PM   #781
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1. Twelve years from now is not the issue. You need to be thinking more about six years from now - because that is when the decision for 2018 will be made.

2. I understood you perfectly. But it seems that you haven't understood me. Let me repeat: there is no demand in Portugal for the stadiums that you have to be made any bigger. All but three Portugese stadiums are too small and, currently, most Portugese stadiums are not even operating at 50% of capacity for domestic games. So why on earth is there a need to make the stadiums bigger, with the costs that would entail, just to meet FIFA World Cup criteria for a period of five weeks?

Sheer madness and waste.
Ok, but the stadiums you refer to can easily reach the 40.000 mark with upgrades like I said. Noboby is defending rebuilding the current stadiums. And yes Lisbon does need an all porpose sports stadium, which it does not have. This one will be new and much needed. Besides, national demand during club competitions have nothing to do with a world bid. More, the portuguese soccer authorities defend what I've just stated, so I'm not speaking out of the blue.....
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Old July 7th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #782
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THE FIFA owes colombia a world cup, they said they were gonna make the 86 world cup in colombia but ended up in mexico!!!

2014 should have colombia and venezuela as hosts.
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Old July 7th, 2006, 09:58 PM   #783
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Ok, but the stadiums you refer to can easily reach the 40.000 mark with upgrades like I said. Noboby is defending rebuilding the current stadiums. And yes Lisbon does need an all porpose sports stadium, which it does not have. This one will be new and much needed. Besides, national demand during club competitions have nothing to do with a world bid. More, the portuguese soccer authorities defend what I've just stated, so I'm not speaking out of the blue.....
I don't doubt that the stadiums concerned could be redeveloped to accomodate 40,000. But what I'm asking is why, when only the big three clubs (Porto, Benfica and Sporting) need a capacity of anything like 40,000? Most of the rest of them barely even need a capacity of 10,000. So to spend yet more millions of Euros on expanding stadium capacity around Portugal purely so each could host, at most, three or four World Cup games, would seem to be a monumental folie de grandeur.

But okay, let's assume, for a moment, that Portugal decides to upgrade and enlarge their stadiums in order to meet World Cup criteria. I still can't see them getting far against an inevitable bid by England.
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Old July 7th, 2006, 10:05 PM   #784
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THE FIFA owes colombia a world cup, they said they were gonna make the 86 world cup in colombia but ended up in mexico!!!

2014 should have colombia and venezuela as hosts.
I don't think FIFA owes Colombia anything. They awarded Colombia the 1986 World Cup but, because Colombia couldn't make good the promises it had made about stadium improvements, FIFA were forced to call on Mexico as a late substitute.

Brazil are in a similar situation for 2014. FIFA has already said that 2014 will be in South America and the CONMEBOL members have already unanimously chosen Brazil as the hosts.

The only doubt is whether Brazil can improve their stadiums and infrastructure on time. If not, 2014 will be taken away from them and awarded to a South American country that does meet the requirements.
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Old July 7th, 2006, 10:11 PM   #785
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2014 - Personally don't know. Even Sepp Blatter, FIFA President, says most of Brazil's stadia are sub-World Cup standard.
2018 - China
2022 - England (unfortunately!)
2026 - Canada or Mexico
2030 - Australia
2034 - Spain, Italy or Russia
2038 - Argentina
2042 - Egypt
YEAH CANADA!!! Sorry i just had a sudden urge.
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Old July 7th, 2006, 10:23 PM   #786
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^i second that motion, especially if its in Toronto.
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Old July 7th, 2006, 11:50 PM   #787
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"Portugal should hold it in 2018. We've got state-of-the-art football stadiums, some of which will need to be upgraded by 2018. A new modern stadium with a capacity for 50.000 people for all kind of sports is needed in Lisbon, so that will be a new one to be added to the big 10. - "


Portugal should definitely put a bid forward. Experience of hosting Euro along with some great modern stadia is a very good foundation. The Portuguese culture and good infrastructure could help in producing an excellent world cup. Lisbon in addition to its current stadium would be the city that could build a second stadium as FIFA stipulates only one city may host matches in two stadia. Upgrading the athletic facility to a modern olympic sized stadium could be the venue for the final. Its not too nearby to the existing stadium which is a positive. Im not sure though what transport infrastructure leads to this stadium.

"Besides that, our infra-structure is quiclky becoming one of the best in Europe. The new TVG railway lines will have been completed by then, together with the new Lisbon Airport and Beja's new airport, probably for low-cost flights. "

Lisbon has made giant leaps in providing world class and efficient public transport systems, that are both modern and aesthetically pleasing. I'm not so sure what needs to be done though in smaller cities with regards to transport.

"This will only happen, if Lisbon doesn't qualify for the 2020 Olympics. Portugal's aim is to hold them too in the next two decades."

If Cape Town makes the 2020 shortlist which is highly likely, I am sure that Lisbon would too as well. Constructing a world cup stadium could act as an Olympic Stadium in Lisbon for 2020 or even 2024 if 2020 is seen as too soon.
The current athletics facility some distance from the city centre could transform into an Olympic Park or a new stadium could be built near the Lisbo Expo site, adjacent to the bridge...

(just to illustrate the location ) ?




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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:05 AM   #788
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Blatter said that after 2014, the rotation system will return like before, he said it was the only solution to see an african country to host.

2014 Brazil
2018 England
2022 China
2026 Spain

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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:08 AM   #789
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I'd guess a stadium big enough the finale wouldnt be Portugals problem, Da Luz could probabley russle up enough seats to get to near 70,000 and they'd obviously want to use the Jose Alvalade stadium in Lisbon aswell. The problem would be getting 7 more stadiums with a 40,000+ capacity than they have now with most of the 30,000 capacity euro 2004 stadiums already prooving too large for local needs.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:26 AM   #790
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I wonder who will FIFA pick for 2030 for the 100th birthday of the cup?
I doubt Uruguay can do it all alone, so they might have to do it with Argentina together
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:37 AM   #791
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I'd guess a stadium big enough the finale wouldnt be Portugals problem, Da Luz could probabley russle up enough seats to get to near 70,000 and they'd obviously want to use the Jose Alvalade stadium in Lisbon aswell. The problem would be getting 7 more stadiums with a 40,000+ capacity than they have now with most of the 30,000 capacity euro 2004 stadiums already prooving too large for local needs.
Portugak will not be an candidate for the world cup in the next years.. For the olympics probably with the Lisbon candidature but the country has recently organised the Euro 2004 and the country has now fine stadiums but they would need expansion for an world cup and the authorities dont want to spend money on stadiums again so soon
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:39 AM   #792
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A large football nation like Brazil never hosted the WC venues , its about time they did in 2014
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:42 AM   #793
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:42 AM   #794
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I wonder who will FIFA pick for 2030 for the 100th birthday of the cup?
I doubt Uruguay can do it all alone, so they might have to do it with Argentina together
well based on continental rotation its africa's turn..perhaps morrocco or egypt would be ready...i do think however perhaps some place significant in terms of football history should host...i doubt uruguay would
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Old July 8th, 2006, 01:58 AM   #795
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A large football nation like Brazil never hosted the WC venues , its about time they did in 2014
Yes, they did, in 1950. They lost the final for Uruguay.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:46 AM   #796
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But okay, let's assume, for a moment, that Portugal decides to upgrade and enlarge their stadiums in order to meet World Cup criteria. I still can't see them getting far against an inevitable bid by England.
Give me a good reason why? or are you gonna tell me England is better than Portugal?
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:52 AM   #797
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England deserves the world cup more then any other nation
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:52 AM   #798
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Give me a good reason why? or are you gonna tell me England is better than Portugal?
I dont think he means it in a bad way. Lets face reality while the idea of a Portugal World Cup sounds nice, England is far better prepared and would probably be better hosts. However this does not mean Portugal cant bid. England are really going to push for 2018 and based on current support for its 2018 bid which is very far away it seems as if england has it in the bag. However nothing can be said for certain, What can be said is that an England bid will be very tough to beat.
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England deserves the world cup more then any other nation
and why is that?
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I dont think he means it in a bad way. Lets face reality while the idea of a Portugal World Cup sounds nice, England is far better prepared and would probably be better hosts. However this does not mean Portugal cant bid. England are really going to push for 2018 and based on current support for its 2018 bid which is very far away it seems as if england has it in the bag. However nothing can be said for certain, What can be said is that an England bid will be very tough to beat.
so did Spain. they had better stadiums and better conditions to receive the teams and they lost the euro2004 organisation to Portugal.. And we have made a excellent tournament..

anyway, i don´t thing portugal will apply to any world cup organisation in the next years..
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:57 AM   #800
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I have to agree with Mo. In 2018 it'll be about time that England - football's birth cradle - hosts another major international event. By that time, the recent high-quality stadia will add to the usual heavy history and fan support.

But this doesn't mean any other bid is less than worthy to fight for that right
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