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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #8281
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Personally, I'm all for FIFA to sack all of their current execs and hire new ones. The whole voting process should follow the example of the post-2004 IOC.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #8282
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World Cup 2018: Spain-Portugal and Qatar could escape sanctions over bidding 'collusion'

The Spain-Portugal and Qatar World Cup bids could escape censure over allegations of collusion after Fifa executive committee member Chuck Blazer confirmed that no hard evidence has been passed to its ethics committee.


By Paul Kelso 6:06PM GMT 10 Nov 2010

The lack of evidence is unlikely to ease concerns among the two bids rivals that they have struck a deal, however, as Blazer also confirmed the existence of a note passed between Angel Maria Villar Llona of Spain and Qatari Mohamed Bin Hammam at the last executive committee meeting.

The note, written by Villar Llonar and widely discussed in bidding circles in the last week, said “Congratulation, vamos a ganar”, which translates as “We are going to win”.

The note, which was seen by four other ex-co members and translated for Bin Hammam by Blazer, has heightened suspicions of a vote-trading deal between the two bids among their rivals, but Blazer believes Villar Llona was referring to the prospect of being cleared by the ethics commission.

“It is more than likely that the note referred to the subject that the previous conversation had been about,” he said. “That discussion had been about the ethics committee and the fact that nobody had provided any hard evidence [of collusion].”

Blazer’s benign interpretation of the note’s meaning is not shared by rivals of the Iberian bid and Qatar, with several of them believing it stands as further evidence of a deal.

The apparently blatant way in which Villar Llona passed the note through the hands of ex-co colleagues, including one direct rival, Michel D’Hooge from Belgium, has infuriated some bids. It has also undermined their faith in Fifa’s ability to police its own rules.

Spain-Portugal are contesting the 2018 race with England, Russia and a joint Holland-Belgium bid. Qatar are competing for the 2022 tournament with South Korea, Japan, Australia and USA.

Telegraph Sport first disclosed allegations that the two bids had struck a vote-trading deal in breach of bidding rules in September, and last month Fifa’s ethics committee opened a formal inquiry into possible collusion.

The alleged deal is understood to involve as many as seven ex-co members voting as a bloc in support of the two bids. With 12 votes possibly enough to secure victory any such deal would give both campaigns a huge advantage.
The ethics committee is expected to give its verdict in the collusion investigation, and its inquiry into cash-for-votes allegations against suspended executive committee members Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii, next week.

The verdict will have a major impact on the outcome of the 2018 race, in which England are considered no better than second favourites. Russia have developed momentum thanks largely to the personal support of Vladimir Putin, and Villar Llona’s lobbying effort makes Spain hard to beat.

Also due next week is Fifa’s technical report into all nine bids, which could be crucial to England’s chances. A glowing endorsement from Fifa would help make up for some of the negative issues surrounding the bid, including concerns within Fifa about the conduct of the British media in exposing recent allegations.

William Hill have cut Spain’s odds to 4-1, with Russia 11-10 favourites and England 11-8.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...collusion.html
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Old November 10th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #8283
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It is too early to celebrate, but we have a chance of 99%.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #8284
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It is too early to celebrate, but we have a chance of 99%.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #8285
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Fifa's World Cup bidding process is under scrutiny again after the existence of a notorious note was confirmed.

The note in question was passed between two executive members who have faced allegations of collusion ahead of the vote for 2018 and 2022 hosting rights.

Spanish member Angel Villar Llona and Mohamed Bin Hammam from Qatar have fallen under the spotlight, with it claimed that the two nations have already agreed to vote for one another in the upcoming polls - with Spain/Portugal bidding for the 2018 event and Qatar for the 2022 showpiece.

The existence of a note passed between the two has been rumoured for some time and it has now been confirmed that Llona wrote: 'Congratulations, vamos a ganar' which translate as 'We are going to win'.

It was assumed that this message meant the Spanish and Qatari bids would be successful in December's vote.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...499100,00.html
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #8287
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #8288
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William Hill have cut Spain’s odds to 4-1, with Russia 11-10 favourites and England 11-8.
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You have a chance of 50%; yes or no, like any other bid.
AFAIK, 11-10 is very close to 90%.

Really, guys, I like your nationalism. But, unfortunately, opinion of Mother England's citizens historically always was been far from reality.

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Old November 11th, 2010, 12:09 AM   #8289
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AFAIK, 11-10 is very close to 90%.

Really, guys, I like your nationalism. But, unfortunately, opinion of Mother England's citizens historically always was been far from reality.
Well we'll soon see I guess, way I see it Spain/Portugal and Doha collusion/vote rigging means they should have zero chance so it's between England and Russia, be interesting as I said, who gets the nod. Betfair, the media etc can write whatever but at the end of the day, it's a secret ballot that decides where the world cup goes, and Germany certainly wasn't the favorite for 2006 but they still romped home with the vote beating South Africa.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #8290
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AFAIK, 11-10 is very close to 90%.

Really, guys, I like your nationalism. But, unfortunately, opinion of Mother England's citizens historically always was been far from reality.
In the same way that 11-8 is about 75% and 4-1 is 25%. Betting odds don't correspond to percentages directly. Year 8 maths, come on.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 01:00 AM   #8291
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If we're resorting to nationalist stereotypes of "mother England", perhaps they don't teach Maths as it displays Capitalist leaning in the U.S.S.R. comrade.
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In the same way that 11-8 is about 75% and 4-1 is 25%. Betting odds don't correspond to percentages directly. Year 8 maths, come on.
Yes, as I know from year 8 maths, 90%>75%>25%.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 01:22 AM   #8293
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Yes, as I know from year 8 maths, 90%>75%>25%.
Which doesn't mean that you have a 90% chance of winning, as you said. 90+75+25+20 for Holland/Belgium = 210. 210 over 100 = 2.1. 90/2.1 = 42.8% chance of winning for Russia, 35.7% chance for England, 11.9% chance for Spain/Portugal and roughly a 10% chance for Belgium/Netherlands, all according to the bookies anyway, not really a reliable prediction. Not to say that Russia aren't favourites, they probably are.
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11-10 actually corresponds to 47.6 percent.
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-.- God this is so bogus.
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Fifa's World Cup bidding process is under scrutiny again after the existence of a notorious note was confirmed.

The note in question was passed between two executive members who have faced allegations of collusion ahead of the vote for 2018 and 2022 hosting rights.

Spanish member Angel Villar Llona and Mohamed Bin Hammam from Qatar have fallen under the spotlight, with it claimed that the two nations have already agreed to vote for one another in the upcoming polls - with Spain/Portugal bidding for the 2018 event and Qatar for the 2022 showpiece.

The existence of a note passed between the two has been rumoured for some time and it has now been confirmed that Llona wrote: 'Congratulations, vamos a ganar' which translate as 'We are going to win'.

It was assumed that this message meant the Spanish and Qatari bids would be successful in December's vote.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...499100,00.html
Fantastic to see Chucky inadvertently(but probably deliberately) confirm Qatar and the Iberian bid are being investigated.The deal has all but killed the US bid
When are we going to get details/ramifications of Qatar and Russia offering $10-12 million for Temirii's vote??
When are the implications of Qatar's "secret deal" with Paraguay on August 18 going to be released?
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Fantastic to see Chucky inadvertently(but probably deliberately) confirm Qatar and the Iberian bid are being investigated.The deal has all but killed the US bid
In your mind, that is.
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In your mind, that is.
Guatemala
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Not a bad start

Blame Qatar,got nothing to do with us
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