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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:48 PM   #821
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2010 - South Africa
2014 - Brazil
2018 - China
2022 - Spain
2026 - USA
2030 - Uruguay (100º aniversary)
2034 - ???
No way will the World Cup go to USA followed by Uruguay. The Americas will not host consecutive World Cups.

And I can't see Spain hosting the World Cup before England. Spain was host as recently as 1982.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:54 PM   #822
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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:56 PM   #823
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South Africa is the official host for 2010. But isn't Brazil now the official host for 2014? And what about England for 2018? Is that official or did they just bid and not get it (yet)?
FIFA has said that the 2014 World Cup will go to South America (it's long overdue there) and CONMEBOL (the South American football confederation) has decided that Brazil will be the host nation. The only doubt is over Brazil's ability to make the necessary improvements to stadiums and infrastructure.

England are not the official choice for 2018 yet. Not by a long shot. It's quite possible that the 2018 World Cup could go to China or Australia.

The only thing I am reasonably confident of is that the next World Cup held in Europe will be in England. That may be 2018 or it may be 2022.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 01:10 PM   #824
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Uruguay is South America and USA is North America is diferent. Spain have 40 years diferent since 1982 / 2022. Spain perfectly prepared to have the world 1982, It can return it to do in 2022.
Has many stadiums of maxima capacity and quality, And has one of the better leagues of soccer of the world.For that reason they can be granted it if asks it.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 01:29 PM   #825
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Uruguay is South America and USA is North America is diferent. Spain have 40 years diferent since 1982 / 2022. Spain perfectly prepared to have the world 1982, It can return it to do in 2022.
Has many stadiums of maxima capacity and quality, And has one of the better leagues of soccer of the world.For that reason they can be granted it if asks it.
Yes, I know that Uruguay and USA are in different continents, thanks very much!

But they are in the same time zones (Eastern standard in the US). FIFA's two biggest TV markets (by a huge margin) are Europe and Asia and the American time zone is convenient for neither. Therefore, I am certain that FIFA will not stage consecutive World Cups in the Americas.

As to Spain, of course it is a great football country with great stadiums. Of course it could stage a wonderful World Cup. But it is not Spain's turn to be the next European venue. It is England's turn.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:02 PM   #826
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As much as i would love to see this, it is not feasible.

1. FIFA won't allow joint bids.
2. The population of these islands together is smaller than 1 million.
3. These people know very little about football. They got thumped by New Zealand 10-0 in the WC qualifyers.
4. They can't afford it.
5. Where are they to put the stadiums.


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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:07 PM   #827
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Australia should be able to handle a world cup on their own. its good to see many people feel the aussies should host after the next few world cups, would be really good for the developement of the game, now that australia is under asia, we have a good chance of snatching the asian cup in the near future.

in all seems very promising for australian football.
The problem Australia has is venues. Not stadia, but venues. The minimum requirements are for 10 stadia with a capacity of 40,000, and FIFA will allow one city to use two stadia, meaning you need a minimum of nine host cities.

Australia's demographics means that a lot of people are concentrated in major (>1 million) cities, but there aren't that many large centres outside of these.

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Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide

you're starting to struggle. Townsville, Canberra and Newcastle would probably come in next, though these are hardly on the scale of Hannover, Leipzig, Kaiserslautern etc., and what's the ninth city going to be? Hobart? Geelong? Cairns?
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #828
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The problem Australia has is venues. Not stadia, but venues. The minimum requirements are for 10 stadia with a capacity of 40,000, and FIFA will allow one city to use two stadia, meaning you need a minimum of nine host cities.

Australia's demographics means that a lot of people are concentrated in major (>1 million) cities, but there aren't that many large centres outside of these.

After

Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide

you're starting to struggle. Townsville, Canberra and Newcastle would probably come in next, though these are hardly on the scale of Hannover, Leipzig, Kaiserslautern etc., and what's the ninth city going to be? Hobart? Geelong? Cairns?
I think that, in the case of a country like Australia, FIFA would relax the rules, so long as the stadiums were up to scratch.

The purpose of spreading the World Cup venues around the host nation is so that all citizens of host nations will have the chance to see a World Cup game or two within easy travelling distance. If, in a country like Australia, 90% of the population lives in and around a small number of cities, then that purpose will still be served if all the games are staged in those cities.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #829
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I don't doubt that the stadiums concerned could be redeveloped to accomodate 40,000. But what I'm asking is why, when only the big three clubs (Porto, Benfica and Sporting) need a capacity of anything like 40,000? Most of the rest of them barely even need a capacity of 10,000. So to spend yet more millions of Euros on expanding stadium capacity around Portugal purely so each could host, at most, three or four World Cup games, would seem to be a monumental folie de grandeur.

But okay, let's assume, for a moment, that Portugal decides to upgrade and enlarge their stadiums in order to meet World Cup criteria. I still can't see them getting far against an inevitable bid by England.
Like I said national demand has nothing to do with it. We'll get far against anyone!! Never underestimate Portugal's will.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:19 PM   #830
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Like I said national demand has nothing to do with it. We'll get far against anyone!! Never underestimate Portugal's will.
I'm not underestimating Portugal at all. I'm simply pointing out the reality.

And the reality is that FIFA does not want to be the cause of countries building white elephants purely so that they can stage the World Cup. And clearly, without the World Cup, there is no need for any Portuguese stadiums to be expanded.

As your fellow countryman, Daniel, has said, I doubt whether Portugal will bid for 2018 or 2022. But even if you do, it would take a hell of an effort to match the capability of England - which has far more and far bigger stadiums.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:27 PM   #831
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I'm not underestimating Portugal at all. I'm simply pointing out the reality.

And the reality is that FIFA does not want to be the cause of countries building white elephants purely so that they can stage the World Cup. And clearly, without the World Cup, there is no need for any Portuguese stadiums to be expanded.

As your fellow countryman, Daniel, has said, I doubt whether Portugal will bid for 2018 or 2022. But even if you do, it would take a hell of an effort to match the capability of England - which has far more and far bigger stadiums.
I'm not defending my countrymen's opinions but my own.

Since when is a soccer competition bid reduced to size?! What about security, hooliganism and so on. Thought about that, or is it just the size and amount of stadiums that count? What about quality?
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:44 PM   #832
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I'm not defending my countrymen's opinions but my own.

Since when is a soccer competition bid reduced to size?! What about security, hooliganism and so on. Thought about that, or is it just the size and amount of stadiums that count? What about quality?
Hooliganism?

What's the relevance of that?

Firstly, England fans have generally behaved well in recent times, despite travelling in enormous numbers. Secondly, when English fans have behaved badly in the past, it has generally been when abroad.

Security?

Britain's police force is among the most experienced in the world at providing security for big events.

As to stadiums, quality isn't a factor since the stadiums that would be used in an England World Cup are at least a match for Portugese stadiums in terms of quality. But size is very much a factor. You're very naive if you don't believe that it is. Let's see....would FIFA rather stage a World Cup where the average stadium capacity is a little over 40,000 or where the average capacity is much more than 50,000? Would they rather stage a World Cup final in a 65,000 capacity stadium or a 90,000 capacity stadium? Hmm........tough questions........
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Old July 8th, 2006, 02:52 PM   #833
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Old July 8th, 2006, 03:27 PM   #834
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After

Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide

you're starting to struggle. Townsville, Canberra and Newcastle would probably come in next, though these are hardly on the scale of Hannover, Leipzig, Kaiserslautern etc., and what's the ninth city going to be? Hobart? Geelong? Cairns?
Cairn: definitly not. It's in north coast weather is too hot.
But it is possible to use 2 stadia in Sydney and 2 stadia in Melbourne. In 1998, there were 2 stadia in Paris. In 1982, 2 venues in Madrid and 2 other in Barcelona.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 03:32 PM   #835
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China will host a World Cup before England. If I have worked it out correctly, there will be 9 stadia with capacity of over 60000, including the new Beijing Olympic, 2 more with over 50000 and one of over 40000. Of the 9 of over 60000 capacity, 4 can hold over 70000. In a country as enthusiastic about football as China, these grounds could be packed to capacity for probably every game. The stadia I've based this on are;
Olympic Stadium, Beijing (91000)
Guangzhou Stadium, Guangzhou (80012)
Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai (80000)
Workers Stadium, Beijing (72000)
Wulihe Stadium, Shenyang (65000)
Olympic Sports Center, Nanjing (60000)
Wuhan Stadium, Wuhan (60000)
Tianhe Stadium, Guangzhou (60000)
Yizhong Stadium, Qingdao (60000)
Olympic Sports Center, Chonqing (58680)
People's Stadium, Dalian (55000)
Shandong Stadium, Jinan (43700)

P.S. - I am Scottish, and just wanted an excuse for anyone but England to host the World Cup.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 03:33 PM   #836
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China will host a World Cup before England. If I have worked it out correctly, there will be 9 stadia with capacity of over 60000, including the new Beijing Olympic, 2 more with over 50000 and one of over 40000. Of the 9 of over 60000 capacity, 4 can hold over 70000. In a country as enthusiastic about football as China, these grounds could be packed to capacity for probably every game. The stadia I've based this on are;
Olympic Stadium, Beijing (91000)
Guangzhou Stadium, Guangzhou (80012)
Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai (80000)
Workers Stadium, Beijing (72000)
Wulihe Stadium, Shenyang (65000)
Olympic Sports Center, Nanjing (60000)
Wuhan Stadium, Wuhan (60000)
Tianhe Stadium, Guangzhou (60000)
Yizhong Stadium, Qingdao (60000)
Olympic Sports Center, Chonqing (58680)
People's Stadium, Dalian (55000)
Shandong Stadium, Jinan (43700)

P.S. - I am Scottish, and just wanted an excuse for anyone but England to host the World Cup.
Very possible.

I'm not sure in what order but, if I was a betting man, I would have money on China and England to host 2018 and 2022. Only threat to China could be Australia.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 03:59 PM   #838
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- 2018: United Kingdom (and not England alone). I hope to have matchs played in Cardiff, Edimburg, Glasgow...WC should return to europe at this date.
UK doesn't make a lot of sense. If games were played in Cardiff and Glasgow, Scotland and Wales would also want to be automatically qualified.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 04:48 PM   #839
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^Right, and FIFA has said that it doesn't want joint bids anymore. So the UK would mean four automatically qualifying teams (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales).

Actually, I think China should also host one sometime soon.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 04:50 PM   #840
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Soon or Later we will see China hosting a WC.

Other possibilities: England, Russia, Brazil and Spain.
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