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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 26th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #8641
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My bet:

Portugal & Spain
Australia / Qatar
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:06 PM   #8642
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Portugal & Spain 2018
Australia 2022
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #8643
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2018 Russia
2022 Australia
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #8644
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2018 - Benelux
2022 - Australia
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:56 PM   #8645
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Well, I might as well just add:

2018 England
2022 Australia


And that's final!
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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:06 PM   #8646
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2018:
Joseph S. BLATTER Switzerland
Julio H. GRONDONA Argentina Spa

Vice President
Issa HAYATOU Cameroon
CHUNG Mong Joon Korea Republic Hol
Jack A. WARNER Trinidad and Tobago Rus
Ángel María VILLAR LLONA Spain Spa
Michel PLATINI France
Reynald TEMARII Tahiti XXX
Geoff THOMPSON England Eng

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Michel D'HOOGHE Belgium Hol
Ricardo Terra TEIXEIRA Brazil Spa
Mohamed BIN HAMMAM Qatar
Senes ERZIK Turkey
Chuck BLAZER USA Eng
Worawi MAKUDI Thailand
Nicolás LEOZ Paraguay Spa
Junji OGURA Japan
Amos ADAMU Nigeria XXX
Marios LEFKARITIS Cyprus
Jacques ANOUMA Côte d'Ivoire
Franz BECKENBAUER Germany
Rafael SALGUERO Guatemala Spa
Hany ABO RIDA Egypt
Vitaly MUTKO Russia Rus

If i count well it's now Spa/Port 5, Rus 2, Hol/Bel 2, Eng 2 11 votes already given 11 togo But i expect Spa/Port a high propabilty but my heart is for Hol/Bel then England then Spa/Por Russia is to big for a WC

2022: very hard will be a gues > Australia Ocenan candicate would can organish a WC

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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #8647
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I hope: benelux 2018
qatar 2022
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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #8648
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2018: Spain & Portugal / England
2022: Australia / US

The key issue at play are where exactly the rumoured voting blocks will move their votes to if the preferred bid is eliminated.

Biggest questions for 2022:

- Is the rumoured Sth American voting block going to move their support to the USA, if they do vote for Qatar and it is eliminated, or does that vote go to an Asian bid, moving the vote along MBH's intentions?
- Will any 'deal' between Spain/Portugal and Qatar fall apart if the 2018 bid is lost?
- What are the intentions of the remaining African voters?
- What are the voting intentions of the remaining European voters?
- Where does the unalligned Asian vote (Thailand) go to?

I know that there is no officially proven 'deal' between Qatar and Spain/Portugal, but its getting clearer that the voting pattern will likely end up going that way. The words of the delegates from all those who were rumoured to be in that block, including the Sth American voters, all point to it panning out that way.

The main variables are peoples 2nd, 3rd and 4th preferances.

My main issue with the Australian and England bids are the early rounds. I have a feeling they both have many secondary preferences, but limited first up votes. I do feel that Holland/Belgium will go out first in 2018, but can not pick the 2022 race.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:52 PM   #8649
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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:39 PM   #8650
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The process becomes even more farcical. The words piss-up and brewery spring to mind:

The electorate to decide the hosts of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, cut to 22 in the wake of the corruption scandal that led to the suspension of two executive committee members, could change again after the Oceania Football Confederation today launched a last-ditch effort to appoint a replacement.

Although it was tonight unclear whether Fifa would sanction such a move, if successful it would force all nine bidding nations to again recalibrate their strategies as they attempt to plot a path to victory.

The OFC general secretary, Tai Nicholas, said tonight that Reynald Temarii, the OFC president who was suspended for a year after breaking Fifa rules on breach of confidence, was likely to waive his right to appeal if it meant a replacement could be parachuted in to vote.

Fifa stipulates that a full executive committee member can be removed only by its congress and had implied the vote would proceed with 22 members. But Nicholas insisted there were "a number of legal options" open to the OFC that would allow Temarii to be replaced.

The confederation has called an executive meeting in Auckland on Saturday to try to install David Chung, the acting president, as president and assume Temarii's position on the executive committee.

"We have one vote and it's fundamentally important that we have the right to our one vote on one of the biggest decisions in football for years," Nicholas told the website Inside World Football.

"It would be a big sacrifice in terms of the opportunity to clear himself for the sake of the OFC casting its vote, but he has always put the confederation first."

A Fifa spokesman said it had yet to receive any official request from the OFC so would not comment. If the OFC was able to find a way to appoint Chung, he would almost certainly vote for Australia to host the 2022 tournament.

The implications for England would be less clear. Their bid team had heavily courted Temarii, who has protested his innocence and threatened to sue the Sunday Times, and were hopeful of his vote but others believe he was inclined to vote for Spain/Portugal. Going ahead with 23 voters would also strip Fifa's president, Sepp Blatter, of his casting vote in the event of a tie.

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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #8651
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Who lives in the Eastern time zone around here? ESPN/TSN better be showing this other wise gotta watch it from spainsh mexican channels.
The bid announcement will be shown live via fifa.com (but not the individual county presentations).

In the UK, it'll be shown on BBC2, Sky Sports News and Eurosport.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #8652
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Old November 26th, 2010, 05:01 PM   #8653
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225961721949


Lawsuit jeopardises US cup bid

* Peter Wilson
* From: The Australian
* November 27, 2010 12:00AM

AUSTRALIA'S main rival to host the 2022 soccer World Cup, the US, faces a lawsuit that could undermine its bid.

The US Soccer Federation is being sued for $US50 million ($51.5m) by a former promoter of professional games in the US.

The suit could wipe out the federation's asset base.

The lawyer behind the legal action said yesterday he had asked a US court last week to compel FIFA executives in Switzerland to disclose their dealings with the USSF on the suit.

Soccer powerbrokers in the US say they were confident they could beat the lawsuit and fend off any threat to their bid for the World Cup.

But in the run-up to FIFA's decision on Thursday on the hosts of the 2018 and 2022 events, the demand that FIFA reveal possibly sensitive communications with the USSF is unlikely to impress the notoriously secretive masters of the game.
The US is the frontrunner for the 2022 event, ahead of Australia, Qatar, Japan and South Korea. A European bid is certain to win the 2018 World Cup.
A judge in Chicago gave heart to the litigants in July by ruling that the federation had a case to answer on claims that it was involved in racketeering, extortion and anti-competitive behaviour when it forced promoters to pay large fees for the right to hold matches in the US between foreign professional clubs, including Manchester United and Barcelona.

The promoter, ChampionsWorld, paid $US3m to hold such matches between 2003 and 2005, and sold more tickets than the US Major League Soccer competition.
ChampionsWorld claims those fees pushed it into bankruptcy in 2005 and its creditors are suing the USSF for $US50m damages.

According to the USSF published accounts, the federation had net assets of $US51.1m at the end of March last year.

A court ruling that the USSF and FIFA had no right to demand the fees would knock a hole in the federation's revenue and set a legal precedent that could allow other promoters to demand repayment of millions more in fees.

Supporters of the lawsuit said the USSF could be bankrupted, compromising its ability to host the World Cup, if the court decided ChampionsWorld was driven out of business by predatory behaviour by the federation and FIFA.

Soccer United Marketing, an MLS spin-off, does most of the promotion of international soccer matches in the US. Its revenue has helped MLS to survive its growth years and fund the World Cup bid.

Alan Rothenberg, president of the federation when the US hosted the 1994 World Cup, said he expected the federation to defeat the lawsuit, and even if it lost it had a strong enough balancesheet to avoid bankruptcy.

The federation's revenue stream from international matches ranked well behind its earnings from television rights and gate receipts for US national team matches, he said.

In the year to 2009, the federation made $US2.9m from fees on international matches, and this year it is likely to have taken more than $US3m from more than 40 international matches involving clubs such as Real Madrid and Manchester City.

Jamie Brickell, the lawyer representing the creditors, said he hoped to be in court by the middle of next year and he was confident of success after a ruling in July by Circuit Court judge Harry D. Leinenweber.

"The judge agreed with us that there is no statute in American law that says the federation has authority over all professional soccer, or that FIFA has the power to give anybody the right to govern professional soccer," Brickell said.

He hoped Judge Leinenweber would next week direct FIFA to provide information about its role in the matter.

The USSF tried to have the lawsuit dismissed, arguing US legislation on sport, and internal decisions by FIFA, had given it the right to impose the fees on promoters, but Judge Leinenweber said the case should go ahead.

He ruled that the federation had no right to govern professional soccer except in the Olympics.

"ChampionsWorld has sufficiently alleged a pattern of racketeering activities," Judge Leinenweber wrote.

US laws did not appear to give the federation monopoly control over professional soccer in the US, he said, and if it had that control, USA Basketball, which ran the amateur sport, would also have control over the NBA.

"It is extremely difficult to conclude from a reading of the plain text (of the relevant legislation) or its legislative history that Congress intended such a result," he wrote.

"The court holds that, as a matter of law, the act does not give the USSF authority to govern professional soccer in the US, except to the extent necessary for USSF to govern the participation of professional players in the Olympic Games and related events."

Australian soccer officials said the issue of charging such "sanctioning fees" for standalone matches between foreign teams had not arisen in Australia because teams such as the current visitors, LA Galaxy, had always been part of series involving Australian sides.

A Football Federation of Australia spokesman said it did not have a position on whether it would impose fees if an independent promoter brought two foreign teams to play each other in Australia.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #8654
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Well, it is lucky they have the proper Government Gaurantees to back them up.... oh wait!
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:18 PM   #8655
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Qatar is illegal,Portugal is broke,Spain cant afford the stadium upgrades and now this

Shortlist I say
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:22 PM   #8656
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Qatar is illegal,Portugal is broke,Spain cant afford the stadium upgrades and now this

Shortlist I say
I know right !! and its bad since only a couple of days are left !

FIFA should make a shortlist instead of this mess.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:34 PM   #8657
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FIFA should do a lot of things, but they don't.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #8658
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FIFA should do a lot of things, but they don't.
Including disqualifying Qatar's bid, but so far around 5 days are left to voting and that didn't happen.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #8659
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I'm sorry you read that implication in my post, it was certainly not intended.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:35 PM   #8660
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Re suit vs. USSF...nothing's going to happen with that...much like the case against the two Salt Lake 2002 frontmen. That case was dismissed by a federal judge. Same thing with this...it could be dragged all the way to the Supreme Court...which could take it two years...and it could still be booted out.

It does NOT endanger the USA bid in any way.
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