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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 29th, 2010, 03:08 AM   #8721
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Huh? So what? Do you really think ALL 4.7 billion ARE counted and WILL BE WATCHING all the matches? Don't be DAFT!!

Probably no more than say 150,000,000 (in EastAsia) for a crucial Japan v. Spain game. All the rest will be TOOO BUSY scraping a living to put food on their table rather than watching a foolish game which means NOTHING to their empty stomachs.

Don't be RIDICULOUS!!
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1974 Europe (Germany +1)
1978 America (Argentina-3)
1982 Europe (Spain+1)
1986 America (Mexico-6/-8)
1990 Europe (Italy+1)
1994 America (UnitedStates-5/-8)
1998 Europe (France+1)
2002 Asia (SouthKorea+9/Japan+9)
2006 Europe (Germany+1)
2010 Europe (SouthAfrica+2)
2014 America (Brazil-2/-4)
2018 Europe (England+0,Spain/Portugal,Netherlands/Belgium+1,Russia+3)
2022 Europe(Qatar+3)

1974 Europe (Germany +1)
1978 America (Argentina-3)
1982 Europe (Spain+1)
1986 America (Mexico-6/-8)
1990 Europe (Italy+1)
1994 America (UnitedStates-5/-8)
1998 Europe (France+1)
2002 Asia (SouthKorea+9/Japan+9)
2006 Europe (Germany+1)
2010 Europe (SouthAfrica+2)
2014 America (Brazil-2/-4)
2018 Europe (England+0,Spain/Portugal,Netherlands/Belgium+1,Russia+3)
2022 America (UnitedStates-5/-8)


1974 Europe (Germany +1)
1978 America (Argentina-3)
1982 Europe (Spain+1)
1986 America (Mexico-6/-8)
1990 Europe (Italy+1)
1994 America (UnitedStates-5/-8)
1998 Europe (France+1)
2002 Asia (SouthKorea+9/Japan+9)
2006 Europe (Germany+1)
2010 Europe (SouthAfrica+2)
2014 America (Brazil-2/-4)
2018 Europe (England+0,Spain/Portugal,Netherlands/Belgium+1,Russia+3)
2022 Asia (Australia+8/+10,SouthKorea+9,Japan+9)

What are you talking about-the ratings went down after Japan/Korea in 2002 by 9%.As you well know the Asia middle classes are growing at such a rapid rate.I witnessed this first hand in South Africa this year with the amount of Asians that were their.In fact I was given a corporate ticket by an Indian fellow for England v Algeria

The fact is absolute.The growth for FIFA is East Asia where 70% of the World will be in 2022.By then who knows just how much FIFA could smash the global total audience by-its been suggested an average of 1,000,000,000 is on the cards
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Old November 29th, 2010, 03:24 AM   #8722
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The biggest Scandinavian bookmaker, Unibet, were first to announce the rates for the election of the FIFA World Cup 2018 and 2022 hosts.

*According to the Swedish company, Russia is the favorite in the race for the 2018 event, while the US is most likely to grab the Mundial in 2022.

The rates for the Russian victory equal 1.85, while the chances of their main rivals – England – are rated at 2.50.

The joint bid of Spain and Portugal is third (5.00), and there seems to be absolutely no faith in Belgium and Holland, who are rated at 30.00.

“FIFA World Cup should go to new countries. We have done a great job, and if all goes as planned, the Swedish bookies will prove right,” Vitaly Mutko, Russia’s Sports Minster told Rossiya 2 channel.

The election of the 2018 World Cup host is to take place in Zurich, Switzerland on December 2.

As for host of the World Cup in 2022, the bookies put the US as number one favorite, with 1.80.

The chances of Australia (3.50) and Qatar (3.75) are considered nearly equal, while two Asian countries – Japan (12.00) and Korea (20.00) – are seen as outsiders.
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AUSTRALIA goes in as near-favourite to this week win its bid to host the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

That year's venue for the biggest sports show on earth will be announced on Friday.

Experts and bookies say Australia's bid is well-placed to win.

Sports analysts at London-based Futures Sports and Entertainment have us as clear favourites, while global bookies William Hill put Qatar just ahead - mostly because a Qatari is one of FIFA's big chiefs.

Governor-General Quentin Bryce and billionaire businessman Frank Lowy will lead Australia's final pitch in Zurich on Wednesday.

They will have half an hour to convince FIFA Australia can pull it off.

Speaking from Zurich yesterday, Football Federation Australia CEO Ben Buckley told the Herald Sun that the delegates were confident.

"It's a bit like preparing for a grand final, but we have been doing that for the best part of two years.

"There is a lot of excitement, some nerves, but we are quietly confident we measure up very well."

Futures Sports and Entertainment director and analyst Kevin Alavy said Australia's odds had definitely shortened.

"It's a very tough competition against some strong rival bids," he said.

"With only 22 members of the FIFA executive committee having a vote, any late changes in opinion have a massive impact on the outcome."

Mr Alavy said Australia's chances of winning would be partly influenced by the result of the 2018 decision, also to be announced on Friday.

"For that, Australia should be cheering on the Poms," he said.

"If England wins, that will arguably be the option that would lead to the most revenues being generated in 2018, which would give FIFA more confidence to give it to Australia in 2022."

"It's inevitable that football will rapidly rise in popularity relative to other Australian sports.

"Already we're seeing one of Australia's principal sports cricket suffering as its TV and in-stadia fan base dwindles ... that challenge will only become greater in the face of the World Cup."

Melbourne Victory striker Archie Thompson said Australia finally had its chance to make a mark on the world sport: "We have what it takes."

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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:50 AM   #8724
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It makes absolutely no sense to wait for a bid which may never come from a football assocaition in turmoil and a country with a poor national team. Choose what's on your plate now, not what might or might not come in the future.
If China 2026 doesn't materialize then I'm sure FIFA can go to another Asian country. OZ 2026?
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Lawsuit jeopardises US cup bid

* Peter Wilson
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* November 27, 2010 12:00AM

AUSTRALIA'S main rival to host the 2022 soccer World Cup, the US, faces a lawsuit that could undermine its bid.

The US Soccer Federation is being sued for $US50 million ($51.5m) by a former promoter of professional games in the US.

The suit could wipe out the federation's asset base.

The lawyer behind the legal action said yesterday he had asked a US court last week to compel FIFA executives in Switzerland to disclose their dealings with the USSF on the suit.

Soccer powerbrokers in the US say they were confident they could beat the lawsuit and fend off any threat to their bid for the World Cup.

But in the run-up to FIFA's decision on Thursday on the hosts of the 2018 and 2022 events, the demand that FIFA reveal possibly sensitive communications with the USSF is unlikely to impress the notoriously secretive masters of the game.
The US is the frontrunner for the 2022 event, ahead of Australia, Qatar, Japan and South Korea. A European bid is certain to win the 2018 World Cup.
A judge in Chicago gave heart to the litigants in July by ruling that the federation had a case to answer on claims that it was involved in racketeering, extortion and anti-competitive behaviour when it forced promoters to pay large fees for the right to hold matches in the US between foreign professional clubs, including Manchester United and Barcelona.

The promoter, ChampionsWorld, paid $US3m to hold such matches between 2003 and 2005, and sold more tickets than the US Major League Soccer competition.
ChampionsWorld claims those fees pushed it into bankruptcy in 2005 and its creditors are suing the USSF for $US50m damages.

According to the USSF published accounts, the federation had net assets of $US51.1m at the end of March last year.

A court ruling that the USSF and FIFA had no right to demand the fees would knock a hole in the federation's revenue and set a legal precedent that could allow other promoters to demand repayment of millions more in fees.

Supporters of the lawsuit said the USSF could be bankrupted, compromising its ability to host the World Cup, if the court decided ChampionsWorld was driven out of business by predatory behaviour by the federation and FIFA.

Soccer United Marketing, an MLS spin-off, does most of the promotion of international soccer matches in the US. Its revenue has helped MLS to survive its growth years and fund the World Cup bid.

Alan Rothenberg, president of the federation when the US hosted the 1994 World Cup, said he expected the federation to defeat the lawsuit, and even if it lost it had a strong enough balancesheet to avoid bankruptcy.

The federation's revenue stream from international matches ranked well behind its earnings from television rights and gate receipts for US national team matches, he said.

In the year to 2009, the federation made $US2.9m from fees on international matches, and this year it is likely to have taken more than $US3m from more than 40 international matches involving clubs such as Real Madrid and Manchester City.

Jamie Brickell, the lawyer representing the creditors, said he hoped to be in court by the middle of next year and he was confident of success after a ruling in July by Circuit Court judge Harry D. Leinenweber.

"The judge agreed with us that there is no statute in American law that says the federation has authority over all professional soccer, or that FIFA has the power to give anybody the right to govern professional soccer," Brickell said.

He hoped Judge Leinenweber would next week direct FIFA to provide information about its role in the matter.

The USSF tried to have the lawsuit dismissed, arguing US legislation on sport, and internal decisions by FIFA, had given it the right to impose the fees on promoters, but Judge Leinenweber said the case should go ahead.

He ruled that the federation had no right to govern professional soccer except in the Olympics.

"ChampionsWorld has sufficiently alleged a pattern of racketeering activities," Judge Leinenweber wrote.

US laws did not appear to give the federation monopoly control over professional soccer in the US, he said, and if it had that control, USA Basketball, which ran the amateur sport, would also have control over the NBA.

"It is extremely difficult to conclude from a reading of the plain text (of the relevant legislation) or its legislative history that Congress intended such a result," he wrote.

"The court holds that, as a matter of law, the act does not give the USSF authority to govern professional soccer in the US, except to the extent necessary for USSF to govern the participation of professional players in the Olympic Games and related events.
Yes, no government guarantees, funding on the brink, more and more questions are asked.
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If China 2026 doesn't materialize then I'm sure FIFA can go to another Asian country. OZ 2026?
Australia is ready right now. I doubt Australia will bid again till the next century if it misses out this time around and that means a big hole in Blatter's football world map. They are first time hosts and they have the best legacy, the football development both internally and within it's region, the government backing, the best time zone for the Asian television audience (which is going to compromise of 70% of the world's population by 2020, it will thus also allow the key markets of China and India to develop their football), the security, the major events experience and more to the point - major sports events experience, the best performing developed economy, the infrastructure, the population, the best climate for the players and fantastic tourism destinations for football fans to make it an absolutely unforgettable world cup.


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Old November 29th, 2010, 08:45 AM   #8727
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Yes, no government guarantees, funding on the brink, more and more questions are asked.
Good try, Misery. That lawsuit AIN'T going nowhere. Just like the Salt Lake City brouhaha with the 2 bid frontmen, it was thrown out by a federal judge. Even if this goes to the Supreme Court, it'll take at least TWO years. (I know; I used to work in the legal industry.) So this is NOTHING...a total tempest in a teapot!!
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Australia is ready right now. I doubt Australia will bid again till the next century if it misses out this time around and that means a big hole in Blatter's football world map. They are first time hosts and they have the best legacy, the football development both internally and within it's region, the government backing, the best time zone for the Asian television audience (which is going to compromise of 70% of the world's population by 2020, it will thus also allow the key markets of China and India to develop their football), the security, the major events experience and more to the point - major sports events experience, the best performing developed economy, the infrastructure, the population, the best climate for the players and fantastic tourism destinations for football fans to make it an absolutely unforgettable world cup.
Australia DOESN'T have the people and those inflated Asian television numbers are BALONEY...and you know it. Australia is ONLY tied in with Asia because it has NO ONE ELSE to PLAY WITH!! It is all SYMBOLIC. But the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, etc., really rather resent Australia being added to their grouping!!
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Australia DOESN'T have the people and those inflated Asian television numbers are BALONEY...and you know it. Australia is ONLY tied in with Asia because it has NO ONE ELSE to PLAY WITH!! It is all SYMBOLIC. But the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, etc., really rather resent Australia being added to their grouping!!
Australia's numbers all stack up, they are supported by global science and population demographics analysis, Australia is a part of Asia because Asia also wanted Australia and currently Australia are the highest ranked nation within the Asian Confederation, giving the region a lot of stability and enhancing their football. The 2 other powers within Asia, South Korea and Japan etc have enjoyed having Australia because they give them European like opposition to play against and it's made them a lot stronger and helped Asia retain it's 4.5 slots in the world cup without any questions. I suggest you type in wikileaks and clinton together into google btw, just for your information. It'll give you a real shot in the arm
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Again, good try, Spin Doctor.

Actually, I am NOT surprised. I did work in the UN for one year. It is a nest of spying...so nothing new there. What Hilary ordered isn't the NEWEST thing under the sun. Ho-hum. Yawnnn.

Even so; Oz won't make it.

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Again, good try, Spin Doctor.

Actually, I am NOT surprised. I did work in the UN for one year. It is a nest of spying...so nothing new there. What Hilary ordered isn't the NEWEST thing under the sun. Ho-hum. Yawnnn.
Yes yes you have the direct line to FIFA headquarters and you work for the UN, that's fantastic you just get more embarrassing by the second.
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Good try, Misery. That lawsuit AIN'T going nowhere. Just like the Salt Lake City brouhaha with the 2 bid frontmen, it was thrown out by a federal judge. Even if this goes to the Supreme Court, it'll take at least TWO years. (I know; I used to work in the legal industry.) So this is NOTHING...a total tempest in a teapot!!
Gondolier, all the other threads have been closed and some of us actually want to discuss the 2018/2022 bids. Please shut up and don't ruin it for the rest of us
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Australia says that making sure visiting fans enjoy themselves will be a priority if it is awarded the right to host the 2022 World Cup.

Frank Lowy, who is leading the Australian bid, said that his country had been inspired to enter the race by what he saw in Germany in 2006, when fan festivals and a party atmosphere transformed the image of the country.

"When I was in Germany and we took part in the World Cup, we got to the last 16 and I thought Australia could do the same in terms of getting the fans involved," he said five days before FIFA chooses the hosts in Zurich.

"I think our World Cup, if I may use that terminology optimistically, will be a different World Cup, I think it will be good for football and it will be a wonderful World Cup for visitors."

"We know how to do these kinds of things," he added, pointing to Australia's success in organising previous events such as the Olympic Games and Rugby World Cup.

"It's a sporting nation, Australia is very-well organised, is very welcoming to visitors, and we are a multicultural society now, 70 or 80 nations live in Australia harmoniously."

Lowy, 80, arrived in Australia with one suitcase in 1952 and went on to build a business empire which made him one of the country's richest men.

The Czech-born entrepreneur thought he had seen it all - until he became involved in World Cup bidding.

"It's been very difficult to cope with it," he said. "I've been in business for a long time and I've had lots of international experience but not on this scale, it's more a United Nations business. But I think I'm doing okay."

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AUSTRALIA'S rival for the 2022 World Cup - Qatar - is being attacked in a ''hidden war'', the country's FIFA vice-president and Asian soccer supremo Mohammed Bin Hamman claimed yesterday.

In an open letter to ''sons, colleagues and friends of the Qatar bid'' issued on his personal website, Bin Hamman told supporters: ''I did warn you that your noble cause to host the World Cup 2022 will face some unethical resistance … You should expect more of this hidden war against your bid and you should not exclude that the worse [sic] part of it may be yet to come.'''

Qatar has come in for increasing attack in recent days, explicitly in the media and behind closed doors from supporters of other bids briefing against the tiny emirate and its outlandish but well-positioned push to host the largest event in world sport.
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The US has been leading the charge - panicked after it became clear in recent months that an apparent vote-deal between the emirate and Spain/Portugal, fiercely refuted by both sides, would deny the US some of the very votes it had targeted.

Australia has remained stoically mute on the subject of Qatar's bid, working hard in the background to be seen as a credible second choice and not wanting to be part of the mud-slinging that has taken place between Qatar and the US. But a string of anti-Qatar stories has been unleashed in the English press in recent days, most notably in London's Daily Mail, which is believed to have strong ties to FFA consultant Peter Hargitay. The Twittersphere has also been awash with Australian anonymous sources posting links to information about the treatment of migrant guest workers in Qatar and other negative stories.

So-called ''guest workers'' from places such as India, Cambodia and Vietnam make up around 75 per cent of Qatar's population of 1.6 million and their treatment, including low wages, physical abuse and restriction of movement, has been frequently criticised by human rights watchdogs such as website The Human Trafficking Project.

Such workers would almost certainly be charged with carrying out the estimated $43 billion in stadium, transport and hotel construction needed for Qatar to host the World Cup.

Bin Hamman said newspaper reports this week that he had admitted Qatar's supporters would back Spain for 2018 were ''lies meant to damage our bid'' and had been entirely fabricated.

Regardless of where it is all coming from, the information hurting Qatar - including queries about its size and climate - is largely accurate. It should, by rights, be damaging.

The Daily Mail reported yesterday that Qatar's bid ambassador, Zinedine Zidane, will be paid around $15 million for his public support if the bid is successful. Other non-Qatari stars of the past, such as Dutchman Ronald De Boer and Cameroon's Roger Milla, are also being paid handsomely to spruik.

None of this is against the rules. Qatar, though, has few friends of the type who cannot be bought. The Age flew to Zurich via the emirate on Qatar Airways. The inflight magazine featured a glowing advertisement for the nation's bid, the television entertainment systems forced all passengers to sit through a video of Zidane promoting the same. But strike up conversation with a member of the cabin crew on the national carrier and the difference was stark.

''Yes I live in Doha,'' she said. ''It's not a good place to be. Dubai is OK, Dubai is like the opposite of Qatar. You should go there instead.''
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