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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:29 PM   #8761
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Five reasons why Qatar shouldn't host the 2022 World Cup

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/fi...-1225962703162
From a biased AUSTRALIAN source, these type of INCREDIBLY FALSE articles would be expected.

anyways

Heat, I already re-re-re-re-re-re and re-emphasized, stated, quoted that all stadiums will be 27 degrees Celsius OR LESS, great for fans and players, all training pitches will be cooled and shaded, every single accommodation unit in the country has air-conditioning, all types of transport (Metro, Bus, Taxi, Water taxi) are cooled. Shading is provided everywhere in Qatar not to mention a new trend of out-door cooling (actual cooling, not just water misting).

Booze Ban (Alcohol), Alcoholic beverages are available at most hotels, the need of independent nightclubs and bars is un-needed due to the small size of the country, so hotels are supposed to be just fine. On the other hand the bid officials did state that fanzones will make alcoholic drinks available to customers.

Wildlife ???? Scorpions ? last time I saw one was when I actually went to the desert, Its not like there are giant scorpions running around Doha central business district and terrorizing people.

Football, yes why the hell would we want to host the world cup if its not played here !!?

They will play in stadiums that are better than US or Australian stadiums in terms of football specific stadiums and post-worldcup "adequate" legacy mode.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #8762
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Alcoholic beverages are available at most hotels, the need of independent nightclubs and bars is un-needed due to the small size of the country, so hotels are supposed to be just fine.
No offence, but that sounds pretty dull. You spend a few weeks in a country and the only place you can let your hair down with a drink is in your hotel?

The heat is an issue which has FIFA concerned (see the evaludation report), and obviously the nature of the bid in such a small area (never been done before) and the legacy of the stadiums are issues. How big they are depends on your point of view but it's safe to say nearly everyone who isn't a passionate supporter of your bid has qualms about these things.

The arguments about scorpions and things are just dumb, but Mike seems to go over the top whenever he posts here.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:42 PM   #8763
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Qatar rejects appeals to respect Human Rights

11 February, 2010 - 18:53

Islamic states United Nations news Human rights UN Geneva Human rights - general

The appalling lack of human rights in even the most liberal of Islamic States was highlighted this week when Qatar rejected the following recommendations made by member states of the Human Rights Council. Those not entitled to the full enjoyment of their human rights in Qatar include women, the children of mixed marriages, and–of course–homosexuals.

To continue to focus work on the rights of women and children, and to lift its reservations to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women to guarantee fair and equal legislation (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland);
To consider withdrawing, as soon as possible, its reservation to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women and to ensure that its national law and practice is in conformity with it (Norway);
To review its reservations to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women with a view to withdrawing them, especially the reservation to the right of a child to obtain Qatari nationality from a Qatari women married to a foreign man (Netherlands);
To end discrimination against women by amending its legislation to guarantee women equal rights, in accordance with its international obligations, including with regard to marriage and divorce (Sweden);
To take legislative measures to eliminate discrimination against women, particularly in the area of marriage and divorce (Chile);
To ensure that LGBT persons are not discriminated against and, as an immediate step, to amend the provisions of the penal code criminalizing consensual sexual activity among persons of the same sex and to ensure that no one is punished for such activity under Sharia law (Sweden);
To consider establishing an official moratorium on the use of death penalty with a view to abolishing it, as provided by General Assembly resolutions 62/149and 63/168 (Slovenia);
To declare a moratorium on executions in line with the General Assembly resolutions 62/149 and 63/168 (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland);
To commute all death sentences and declare a moratorium on executions (Norway);
To consider abolishing the death penalty and corporal punishment, in particular against children (Brazil);
To establish a moratorium on capital punishment, commuting such crimes to sentences of deprivation of liberty; if not, to find a way to harmonize criminal and penal norms and laws with international human rights law (Spain);
To abolish stoning and flogging from its legislation, as mentioned by the Committee against Torture (Chile).

--Roy Brown, Head of IHEU Delegation to the United Nations, Geneva.

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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #8764
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And ? NOT RELEVANT.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:07 PM   #8766
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And ? NOT RELEVANT.
Are you retarded or just stupidly blinded by your pathetic joke of a bid?

It is extremely relevant!

Does a nation with an absurd track record of human rights deserve to be granted the privilege of hosting the greatest event on the planet?

Will your country (sorry city) be welcoming to same sex couples who supporting their team?

How will your city handle skimply clad brazilian women walking the (air conditioned) streets of Doha?

What happens if Israel makes the 2022 finals? How are your buddies at Hamas going to take it? Will your government continue to bank roll them??
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #8767
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Does a nation with an absurd track record of human rights be granted the privilege of hosting the greatest event on the planet?
I'm not aware of Qatar's record on human rights and equality in general but this probably ain't the thread for it. Suffice to say, we had the Olympics in China two years ago and everything I know about FIFA suggests they're even less bothered about such things.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:12 PM   #8768
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Oh, was Qatarson one of the multis? He seemed one of the more sane posters on this forum.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:17 PM   #8769
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Size and climate alone should be more than enough to rule Qatar out of the race! Another possibly problematic thing would be the Islamic culture - will the powers-that-be there allow for some loosening of rules during the month-long tourney! If its already a big concern for Qatar, that is enough to rule out Saudi Arabia from hosting rights for as long as they have their "system" in place!
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #8770
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The allegations in tonight's Panorama

(pretty much what the German and Swiss newspapers are also running with; it seems the Beeb aren't the only media outlet who've seen the list of executives who've accepted kickbacks)
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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #8771
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I'm not aware of Qatar's record on human rights and equality in general but this probably ain't the thread for it. Suffice to say, we had the Olympics in China two years ago and everything I know about FIFA suggests they're even less bothered about such things.
It is the thread/forum for it as it has a profound effect of Doha's ability to host a tournament that is safe, accessible and welcoming to all supporters no matter race/sex/religion/sexuality. Fifa is corrupt, everyone knows it, but my question was not 'if fifa will be bothered by Qatars HR record?'

I (along with many others) had similar issues with China hosting the games, it was their biggest shortcoming. For the Doha bid it is one of countless reasons why this joke of a bid shouldn't have even got this far.

As I have said many times - it will be a dark day for sport if Doha win the rights to 22 and will confirm Fifa as one of the most corrupt organisations on the planet.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 08:57 PM   #8772
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From a biased AUSTRALIAN source, these type of INCREDIBLY FALSE articles would be expected.

anyways

Heat, I already re-re-re-re-re-re and re-emphasized, stated, quoted that all stadiums will be 27 degrees Celsius OR LESS, great for fans and players, all training pitches will be cooled and shaded, every single accommodation unit in the country has air-conditioning, all types of transport (Metro, Bus, Taxi, Water taxi) are cooled. Shading is provided everywhere in Qatar not to mention a new trend of out-door cooling (actual cooling, not just water misting).

Booze Ban (Alcohol), Alcoholic beverages are available at most hotels, the need of independent nightclubs and bars is un-needed due to the small size of the country, so hotels are supposed to be just fine. On the other hand the bid officials did state that fanzones will make alcoholic drinks available to customers.

Wildlife ???? Scorpions ? last time I saw one was when I actually went to the desert, Its not like there are giant scorpions running around Doha central business district and terrorizing people.

Football, yes why the hell would we want to host the world cup if its not played here !!?

They will play in stadiums that are better than US or Australian stadiums in terms of football specific stadiums and post-worldcup "adequate" legacy mode.
Correct me if I am wrong, but not all of the stadiums are shaded. Even though they are air-conditioned, players and some fans will still be in direct sunlight. That high UV level is definitely a health risk

And what happens if an air-conditioning unit breaks down...?
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The allegations in tonight's Panorama

(pretty much what the German and Swiss newspapers are also running with; it seems the Beeb aren't the only media outlet who've seen the list of executives who've accepted kickbacks)
So it begs the question, why would the BBC risk sabotaging (some would argue that they already have) the English bid, to run a story that is already in the public realm...?
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It is the thread/forum for it as it has a profound effect of Doha's ability to host a tournament that is safe, accessible and welcoming to all supporters no matter race/sex/religion/sexuality. Fifa is corrupt, everyone knows it, but my question was not 'if fifa will be bothered by Qatars HR record?'

I (along with many others) had similar issues with China hosting the games, it was their biggest shortcoming. For the Doha bid it is one of countless reasons why this joke of a bid shouldn't have even got this far.

As I have said many times - it will be a dark day for sport if Doha win the rights to 22 and will confirm Fifa as one of the most corrupt organisations on the planet.
If you don't want Qatar to host, there are two words you just have to keep repeating over and over: Health Risk!
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Old November 29th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #8775
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Another example of the dirty tactics of Qatar 2022

http://www.epltalk.com/the-guardian-...ics-flub-26947
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Old November 29th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #8776
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Another example of the dirty tactics of Qatar 2022

http://www.epltalk.com/the-guardian-...ics-flub-26947
Shameless. I hope she and her employers lose readers over this blatant cash for comments article. I'm surprised the Doha bid committee allowed a women to write for them in the first place?
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Old November 29th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #8777
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I wonder if this post will be deleted as my past 5 have been without reason?

Can anyone tell me if the Fifa discloses which delegates vote for which bid? I am of the understanding that it is confidential. If these votes are made public I would like to see a campaign for everyone who voted for the ridiculous, doha joke bid to be investigated for corruption.
They are supposed to remain confidential, but I'd say if Qatar managed to pull off a win there would be many questions raised and we'd find out who voted for who soon enough.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #8778
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Great work on cleaning out the trash in this thread too by the way.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #8779
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They are supposed to remain confidential, but I'd say if Qatar managed to pull off a win there would be many questions raised and we'd find out who voted for who soon enough.
Yup.

I can understand OZ beating the USA, but Qatar?!
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Old November 30th, 2010, 12:28 AM   #8780
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Oh, was Qatarson one of the multis? He seemed one of the more sane posters on this forum.
It's kinda sad how some people would go through all of that just to win a poll in some forum lol.
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