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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 17th, 2006, 04:47 AM   #1001
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At this point, nobody truly "deserves" a World Cup hosting. Each country comes with its strengths and many weaknesses. We can go over what those are but that's for another time.

Right now, the only reasons why 2010 and 2014 are pencilled in is because of FIFA politics. The real competition, if you want to look at it that way and if we're to be right, is for 2018.

One thing people overlook is the pragmatism of FIFA political decisions. I think some at the higher ups realise that many developing countries would bankrupt themselves if choosing to participate in an open competition. So, the thinking goes, FIFA and its member confederations would "lend a hand" to ensure that at least some finals would still go to developing countries in the 21st Century. Then, they'll allow themselves (unofficially) alternatives in order to keep the pressure on them to make sure certain upgrades, like grounds, training facilities, etc., are implemented. The goal of this is to show to the vast majority of the FA's that they have at least an equal chance at competing at the highest levels, even when results don't bear that out in reality. FIFA can't afford to have FA's from the developing world leave and form their own organisations, lest they result in some delegitimisation of the "World" Cup, making it more like the "World" Series. Also, it keeps the goal of diversifying the hostings at different points of the globe and avoids the possibility of limiting them to just the most developed nations.

2018 is expected to go back to the developed world and, thus, open competition is the better option. What better to keep England, Australia, U.S., Spain, etc. honest and make sure that fiascos like the New Wembley don't happen.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 05:42 AM   #1002
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like it? dont like it?..

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Old July 17th, 2006, 05:51 AM   #1003
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nope...
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Old July 17th, 2006, 06:01 AM   #1004
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Old July 17th, 2006, 06:03 AM   #1005
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canada 2018 2022 2026?.....nope...just kidding.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 06:13 AM   #1006
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I just mean I wouldn't prefer Australia getting it in 2018. They probably are gunna get it before Canada, of course if we ever get it.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 09:41 AM   #1007
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haha nice work mo rush

2018 and australia look so good together hehe
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:17 AM   #1008
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Yeah I agreem lol. It will happen one day whether it's 2018 or 2022 or 2026 or 6000 it will happen. Hopefully sooner rather than later though.
Where did you get that picture from Mo Rush??? FDid you make it??? I like it. mmmmm
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:52 AM   #1009
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Well Australia's qualified twice. I don't see why Hobart and Darwin can't host some. All those people missing out people from Geelong, Townsville excetra can go to the nearest capital city. They're the same size of some of Germany's cities.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 12:17 PM   #1010
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I don't think you need to be in the top 32 in rankings to host. I'm certain South Africa isn't, and I doubt South Korea and Japan were either.
In 2002, South Korea was ranked 22nd and Japan was ranked 24th.

At the moment, SA is ranked 72nd so I guess I was wrong. I guess FIFA wanted to have an African world cup.
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Yeah I agreem lol. It will happen one day whether it's 2018 or 2022 or 2026 or 6000 it will happen. Hopefully sooner rather than later though.
Where did you get that picture from Mo Rush??? FDid you make it??? I like it. mmmmm
i conjured it up myself.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 08:40 PM   #1012
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2018 is expected to go back to the developed world and, thus, open competition is the better option. What better to keep England, Australia, U.S., Spain, etc. honest and make sure that fiascos like the New Wembley don't happen.
umm the USA and Spain have hosted recently, so they shouldnt get it b4 England and maybe Austrailia
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like it? dont like it?..

ARE YOU HONESTLY SAYIN THAT EUROPE SHOULD WAIT ANOTHER 16 YEARS BEFORE HOSTING THE WORLD CUP?!
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:00 PM   #1014
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australia has some good stadiums but alot are for cricket. the fans need to be closer to the pitch, i don't even like running tracks around them. i think watching football at a cricket pitch would suck, yeah if the rugby, aussie rules, and olympic stadiums were to be improved it would be good, but i think england for 2018 would be better. (i am slightly biased though)
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:17 PM   #1015
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SA has regularly been in the top thirty, so may well have been twenty-something when the decision was made. I can't remember though to be honest.

We should have the 2018 World Cup here in England though.
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:41 PM   #1017
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they should organiza a rugby cup, a cricket one, or a Kangaroo race but not a football world cup............I DONT´WANT ANOTHER USA 94...........
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Old July 17th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #1018
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2018 world cup in australia? - unlikely.

1) too few sufficiently large, football-specific stadiums in too few cities, stadiums that could well be unavailable anyway due to domestic sporting demands (aussie rules).
2) europe's footballing importance is likely sway the 2018 tournament in its favour, given that the continent probably won't have hosted the world cup in 12yrs by then
3) australia sits in an unsuitable time-zone for the traditionally largest tv viewerships of europe and south america.

i'd guess that australia will be competing to host the 2022 world cup with china:

2010: south africa
2014: brazil / south america
2018: england
2022: china / australia
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Old July 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM   #1019
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they should organiza a rugby cup, a cricket one, or a Kangaroo race but not a football world cup............I DONT´WANT ANOTHER USA 94...........
what, you mean the most successful, highly attended world cup in history, which brought about the re-birth of attacking football and even hosted 8 less teams (and thus less matches) than France 1998? Face it, the WC is coming back to the USA as soon as FIFA can possibly get it here without hearing too much whining and bitching from the miserable footy population around the world. Football has exploded in the United States, and the WC final viewership between ITA-FRA even outdrew the NBA finals and was 100,000 short of beating the MLB (baseball) championship series.

The USA has about 30-35 football-ready stadium/cities/transportation infrastructure to host a WC next week:

Los Angeles - Rose Bowl Stadium - 92,000
Los Angeles - Los Angeles Coliseum - 92,000
Washington, D.C. - Fed Ex Field - 91,665
New York - Giants Stadium - 80,242
Kansas City - Arrowhead Stadium - 79,451
Jacksonville - Alltel Stadium - 76,877
Denver - Invesco Field - 76,125
Buffalo - Ralph Wilson Stadium - 73,967
Miami - Dolphins Stadium - 71,149
Charlotte - Bank of America Stadium - 73,246
Cleveland - Browns Stadium - 73,200
San Diego - Qualcomm Stadium - 71,294
Atlanta - Georgia Dome - 71,149
Houston - Reliant Stadium - 71,054
Orlando - Citrus Bowl - 70,188
Phoenix - Cardinals Stadium - 70,000
Baltimore - M&T Bank Stadium - 69,084
Nashville - The Coliseum - 68,932
Boston - Gillette Stadium - 68,756
Philidelphia - Lincoln Financial Field - 68,532
New Orleans - Louisiana Superdome - 68,395
Dallas - Cotton Bowl - 68,252
Seattle - Qwest Field - 67,000
St. Louis - Edward Jones Dome - 66,000
Dallas - Texas Stadium - 65,846
Tampa - Raymond James Stadium - 65,647
Cincinnati - Paul Brown Stadium -65,352
San Antonio - Alamodome - 65,000
Detroit - Ford Field - 64,500
Pittsburgh - Heinz Field - 64,450
Minneapolis - Metrodome - 64,121
Oakland - McAfee Coliseum - 63,026
Chicago - Soldier Field - 61,500
Washington - RFK Memorial Stadium - 56,454
Indianapolis - RCA Dome - 56,127


Keep in mind that this list does not include the larger College Football stadiums (not all-seaters), future stadium sites like Jerryworld in Dallas, (90,000+), Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana (65,000 +), Future New York Stadium (90,000+), and any future stadiums for NFL cities like St. Louis, San Francisco Los Angeles, and New Orleans that would surely be built by 2014, much less 2018.

It also does not include any stadium in the US that isn't above 55,000.

So, suck it.

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2018 world cup in australia? - unlikely.

1) too few sufficiently large, football-specific stadiums in too few cities, stadiums that could well be unavailable anyway due to domestic sporting demands (aussie rules).
2) europe's footballing importance is likely sway the 2018 tournament in its favour, given that the continent probably won't have hosted the world cup in 12yrs by then
3) australia sits in an unsuitable time-zone for the traditionally largest tv viewerships of europe and south america.

i'd guess that australia will be competing to host the 2022 world cup with china:

2010: south africa
2014: brazil / south america
2018: england
2022: china / australia
Even though FIFA has stated there going to stop the rotation system after 2014 I personally don't think we'll ever see a return to open bidding. Deals will be done behind closed doors to see which federation gets each WC then a host will be desided on by them IMHO. That helps Australia in one way considering the Asian zone has much more political clout than Oceania but as you say it also potentially puts them into direct competision with China.
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