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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old September 7th, 2006, 07:38 AM   #1141
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Till 2018.

Nobody really stand a chance against England.
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Old September 7th, 2006, 07:42 AM   #1142
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2014 Portugal
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Old September 8th, 2006, 02:10 AM   #1143
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IMO England should be given the 2014 WC and this will give South American countries more time to get ready to host the 2018 WC. Makes sense
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Old September 26th, 2006, 06:30 AM   #1144
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WC2014/18/22 - Why Australia won't get it

Football suitable stadiums...

Telstra Stadium, Sydney (Sydney Olympic Stadium) - 83,500 seats


Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane - 52,579 seats


Aussie Stadium, Sydney - 41,159 seats


Cricket/AFL/Athletics venues (poor views for real football)

MCG, Melbourne - 100,000 seats


Telstra Dome, Melbourne - 56,347 seats


AAMI Stadium, Adelaide - 51,515 seats


The Queensland Center, Brisbane - 48,400 seats


SCG, Sydney - 44,000 seats


Subiaco Oval, Perth - 42,922 seats


The Gabba, Brisbane - 42,000 seats


Clutching at straws - cricket/AFL venues which could step in in emergency...

Princes Park/Optus Oval, Melbourne - 35,000 seats


Adelaide Oval, Adelaide - 33,597 seats (can't get the link to work, but you get the idea)
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If Australia made a joint bid with New Zealand you could add another 5 cricket venues (with capacities ranging from 35k to 45k) - and facilities ranging from excellent to 'oh dear'.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 06:47 AM   #1145
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Yes but we would only use maybe 3 of those venues. We don't consider redevelopmetn as an option we would build 9 new stadiums and we wouldn't do it with NZ.

I know your taking it personally because you are in denial about South Africa not 100% hosting the cup yet becasue your country has done f**k all in preparation for the event. Our Status of the Best Olympics, Rugby and Cricket World cups speak for themselves.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 06:59 AM   #1146
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Australia won't get the World Cup although the money is there the obsticles in the way are huge walls such as distances from Perth and Darwin to eastern states which many people would classify as international flights. Australia has 5 big Cities but then many smaller regional centres its up against it. Also it is winter during World Cup and unforuetly AUstralia Rules Football is in Full swing but as much as i hate it They hate Soccer even more so they will do everything legally to stop it.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 07:53 AM   #1147
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First of all, I'm not in denial... I live in Australia, and I'm English, I've got no association at all with South Africa.

Second, I can't see Australia building more than a couple of 40k seater football venues as there would be no use for them after the finals - attendances for rugby and football just aren't big enough to justify building 40k seaters.

Where would you build them? Sydney already has the facilities, I reckon Melbourne is the only other city that could support a football stadium (so long as interest in the A league doesn't wane), but what would be the point in investing $100m in building a 40k seater in Perth or Adelaide, or Canberra, Newcastle, Wollongong or Geelong? It would be a joke to build anything on that scale in Darwin, Launceston, etc.

Just can't see it happening.

Scale plays no part - they had no problem hosting a finals in the USA.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 08:29 AM   #1148
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Unfornuetly to prove your point further you need 50k seater stadiums because you have to allow 10 000 for Media committments.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 09:13 AM   #1149
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but melbourne is getting a new football ground so that is one less required
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Old September 26th, 2006, 10:08 AM   #1150
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Melbourne's new football stadium is a measly 20k and is already outgrown before it's built. Plus FIFA says that there should only be one stadium per city being used but that rule is expected to be bent a bit. But three stadiums being used in Melbourne??? I doubt it. The new Melbourne stadium should be being built 50k. It is after all, the sporting capital of Australia, which 90% of people agree on that claim.

MCG (MEL), Telstra Stadium (SYD), Telstra Dome (MEL), Suncorp (BRIS) are the main stadiums. Suncorp is a rectangular stadium and Telstra Dome is convertible. MCG has 100,000 capacity and Telstra Stadium has around 83,000. These are Australia's best stadiums. Melbourne and Sydney have most of Oz's biggest stadiums but only one per city. In Aussie forums it is expected (if we get the world cup) that there will be two used in Melbourne.

PS. Melbourne could cater for a new rectangular 50k stadium quite easily. Dunno about other cities (ask their locals) but the 20k one is way too small.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 10:11 AM   #1151
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Oh and princess park would never ever ever ever be used for a world cup. Vomiting at the thought!!!

Australia will one day host a world cup it's just smaller cities can't support massive new stadiums yet. And I know Adelaide would be using the AAMI stadium. Well I'm quite sure that was said by the SA premier.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 11:15 AM   #1152
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Cities i have

Melbourne: MCG
Sydney: Stadium Australia
Brisbane: Suncorp
Perth: New Stadium
Adelaide: New Stadium
Gold Coast: Upgraded new venue they have
Newcastle: New Stadium
Central Coast: New Stadium

It looks quite hard to work me thinks?
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Old September 26th, 2006, 11:58 AM   #1153
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weebie, just cos someone says oz cant do something you automatically attack them as South African and then get personel , man you need to grow up
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Old September 26th, 2006, 12:08 PM   #1154
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Quote:
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Cities i have

Melbourne: MCG
Sydney: Stadium Australia
Brisbane: Suncorp
Perth: New Stadium
Adelaide: New Stadium
Gold Coast: Upgraded new venue they have
Newcastle: New Stadium
Central Coast: New Stadium

It looks quite hard to work me thinks?
Weebie there are two (possibly more) problems.
1. Canberra (or elsewhere) would possibly host some events instead of central coast as there are three places in NSW you've listed. Or if you meant QLD central coast then there are three in QLD.
2. Melbourne (most likely or Sydney) would probably have two stadiums each hosting games.
3. There is no friggen way that 4 new stadiums would be built and one upgraded. Even though that would be good and should happen. The good thing is isn't Perth getting a new stadium. But not enough capacity. hmmmm
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Old September 26th, 2006, 12:36 PM   #1155
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weebie
Cities i have

Melbourne: MCG
Sydney: Stadium Australia
Brisbane: Suncorp
Perth: New Stadium
Adelaide: New Stadium
Gold Coast: Upgraded new venue they have
Newcastle: New Stadium
Central Coast: New Stadium

It looks quite hard to work me thinks?
Adelaide? A new stadium?
Gosh your a dreamer.
It has already been made clear that Adelaide will not be getting a new stadium under any circumstance.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 01:47 PM   #1156
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Weebie there are two (possibly more) problems.
1. Canberra (or elsewhere) would possibly host some events instead of central coast as there are three places in NSW you've listed. Or if you meant QLD central coast then there are three in QLD.
2. Melbourne (most likely or Sydney) would probably have two stadiums each hosting games.
3. There is no friggen way that 4 new stadiums would be built and one upgraded. Even though that would be good and should happen. The good thing is isn't Perth getting a new stadium. But not enough capacity. hmmmm
How big does the stadiums have to be? Perth's new stadium is meant to be 60k/65k I think. Maybe that is too small when I think about it lol.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 02:29 PM   #1157
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At the end of the day, the thing that Australia won't be able to get around is that even if they do build a few new grounds, the country is still going to be dominated by cricket/AFC ovals. Pitchside viewing of world cup matches would be a nightmare at MCG, SCG, Gabba, AAMI, etc. At the recent Melbourne vs Sydney match at TelstraDome, anyone at pitchside had an awful views, and the pitch their is considered small.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 03:12 PM   #1158
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For an Australian World Cup:

MCG(Melb)
Telstra Stadium (Syd)
Telstra Dome (Melb)
Suncorp Stadium(Bris)
Rebuilt AAMI Stadium (Adel)
Rebuilt Subiaco Stadium (Perth)
Upgraded EnergyAustralia Stadium(Newcastle)
Upgraded Gold Coast Stadium (Gold Coast)

There's the minimum of 8 stadiums

Other options include: Upgrade to Bruce Stadium (Canberra) or Upgrade to Dairy Farmers Stadium (Townsville). Upgrades to Gosford or WIN Stadiums won't be able to get the capacity.

So say if the new AAMI and Subiaco Stadiums were will movable seats ect. like Telstra Stadium and Telstra Dome, Then the only stadium which can't be configured into a rectangular shape is the MCG, but its pitch is small enough to be able to compensate for that.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 04:14 PM   #1159
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What a negative attitude and what a negative thread.

Obviously we are incapable of staging a major sporting event it seems.

Hello!? Who is better at hosting stuff than us! It's what we do and we sure as heck can do the World Cup.

Big whoop, we'll build a few stadiums, last time I looked that's what cities do when they bid for the World Cup.

Man it's 2006 and people are dismissing us for 2022, it's ridiculous.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 02:22 AM   #1160
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What a negative attitude and what a negative thread.

Obviously we are incapable of staging a major sporting event it seems.

Hello!? Who is better at hosting stuff than us! It's what we do and we sure as heck can do the World Cup.

Big whoop, we'll build a few stadiums, last time I looked that's what cities do when they bid for the World Cup.

Man it's 2006 and people are dismissing us for 2022, it's ridiculous.
Aye, but when one spends $150-$200 million building a new stadium, one expects to get good use from it. If one builds a stadium suitable for football in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, etc., how often is it going to be used after the World Cup? Maybe for a Rugby world cup, but other than that..?

Oz is fantastic at hosting stuff - the Olympics, the Rugby World Cup, last year's Commonwealth Games, etc. Faultless. However, you simply can't stage a world cup at AFL/Cricket venues - views would be awful and people demand more these days. I should also point out, by the way, that the organisation of the Germany 2006 finals was equally faultless - the best I've ever been to by a long way.

Maybe I should have titled the thread 'Why Australia won't be an emergency stand-in' as has previously been suggested - because we're not ready yet by a long shot.
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