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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old December 15th, 2006, 02:57 PM   #1501
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Hypothetically if FIFA did change its minimum requirements to 10 x 50K, which countries do you think could sustain the requirements both before and after the WC.

Are you saying England are unable to sustain 10 50K stadiums after the WC? Im talking about in different cities (as London itself has Emirates, Wembley etc already).
Im guessing the US will easily be able to. Who else???
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Old December 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM   #1502
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It's true that China only has something like three football-only stadiums. But who says those with tracks can not do the job? I remember that Italy90 had a handful stadia with tracks, and they are still using them for Serie'a alright.
How many people that will go to 'x country' 18, were around in Italy 90? Long time ago mate.

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But then, I do agree that the Premier stadia look way better in terms of spectating experience.
Its probable a bare minimum requirement for FIFA. The Worlds best Tornement deserves the Best stadiums. Simple.

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Point was not China doesn't have such stadia, they can build thousands of them if that's what it needs to accommodate the world cup. Point is, China's football team is a shame to play in the WC. A WC with China will degrade the quality of the tournament, and it would be a huge shame.
Well your only going to have to wait another 3 odd years for an embrassing team in the WC. Imagine if say France (using an example of a good time only) missed out (because they were in a group of death in the qualifiers) and South Africa gets belted by 5 goalds each game. lol.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 03:09 PM   #1503
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I wasn't aware that FIFA requires no-track football stadia for WC..

The thing is, China will be the last in the WC. If the host turned out to be the worst, it would be so embarrassing. That's why I wouldn't vote China for 2018 bid, I may get heart attack, ha ha. Btw, I am Chinese..

Unless, they suddenly discover a couple of geniuses in the coming years, which I highly doubt about.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 03:56 PM   #1504
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I dont think its a FIFA Requirement. But i have a very good feeling that by the time 2018 comes, you will see Athletics-less Football games.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 06:04 PM   #1505
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I disagree.
rephrased.
There is no longer an uncontrollable hooligan problem in England, and in the context of a World Cup, it would pose no significant threat to England's ability to host.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #1506
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FIFA currently only allow one host city to have more than one stadium...
One of the many problems of an Australian WC bid.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 06:30 PM   #1507
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FIFA's requirements are worded like, "If at all possible"................"would further help in selecting"....................."For the comfort of fans and television viewers". In regard to roofs, if you read it with an open mind you'll see that they don't require roofs, but "If at all possible...............they basically want everyone in the stadium to be kept from all of the elements. That doesn't say roof, that says dome. At the same time they'd like a natural pitch with adequate sunlight............If at all possible. Sounds like a retractable roof to me. Regarding the track, it is again an if at all possible. They like an ideal distance from the pitch without a track..............If at all possible. Having seen UT do it, I know its a $3-4 million project that usually requires lowering the pitch and either totally removing the track, having retractable seats or putting in permanent seating. No cheap options.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 06:46 PM   #1508
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If England is to host the WC they need to find a solution to the hooligan problem, maybe imprisson them ? But then again there are several thousands of known hooligans in England so......
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I disagree.
Omg....y don't people ever stop to think first and maybe read what has already been written on other similar threads before blurting out crap all over a thread like so much verbal diarrhea???

Because I really can't be bothered to type all the relevant info again, I will just post the comment I made over the same isue in the 'England - potential bid for 2018 WC Finals' thread:

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Because of many schemes put in place back in the dark days of the 20th century, the Premiership (as well as the lowers tiers of English football) is the safest, fairest and most incident-free in Europe (and, I would venture, the world). A fact I love to mention which no-one seams to realise is this idea of putting up fences and protective barriers around the pitches in European stadiums to prevent fan intrusion, objecst being thrown etc etc. This is present in Spanish stadiums, French stadiums, German stadiums, Italian staidums...pretty much throughout Europe and most of the world.
....Do we see this in English stadiums??? I think not!! There is no need. That is how far the situations has changed!!

You want to talk about these issues...how about mentioning the rampant racism in Spanish football, the fashism and corrpution in Italian football....how about the fact that South American football games are constantly abandoned because of fan violence, throwing stones, invading the pitch.

Do you know that in quite a few South American countries it is a custom for players on the away side to take corners with an escort of riot police to shield them from the crowd...did you know that very recently Argentina has implemented a temporary crisis measure where no away fans are allowed in the stadiums and only home fans that are season ticket holders are permitted!!!
I bet you didn't know that though.....and yet strangely enough you can remeber some reports of English hooliganism 20/30 years ago...hmmm.

Did you also know that because of the problems in these South American countries, many are looking at the ENGLISH model as a basis for combatting these issues! You would think more people would be concerned about these points considering a South American country will be hosting the 2014 WC, instead of worrying about a counrty with the safest and cleanest league system possibly getting the 2018 WC....

Honestly some people really do need to just move on instead of perpetuating a dumb and outdated stereotype. It would be like me worrying about Germany hosting the 2006 WC for fear that they might use it as an excuse to start WW3.

Of course England is deffinitely not devoid of hooliganism, there will still be the usual drunken council-housed idiot minority who give everyone a bad name, but you would be hard pressed to find a counrty in the world which doesn't have such problems in some form or another!!

So no, I really don't think this will be an issue with FIFA if England are to bid for 2018, no more so then it would any other country in Europe!!

...I think that is like the 3rd or 4th time on this forum that I have had to explain all this....
Btw, with regards that very last sentance in my quote, I believe this will be the 5th time I have had to repeat all this! I doubt it will be the last!
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Old December 15th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #1509
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go brazil
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Old December 15th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #1510
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That planned stadium in Perth sure looks good
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Old December 15th, 2006, 10:05 PM   #1511
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There is no longer a hooligan problem in England - the problem is only when the tossers travel overseas away from Mummy or Mrs Hooligan.

The only thing that will stall an England bid, in my opinion, would be if FIFA upped their stadium standards prior to 2018, and insisted on - say - 10 x 50k stadiums. This would cause major problems as most English clubs will have already completed regeneration in the region of 40k seaters and further expansion would be uneconomical. I can't see the FA/government subsidising the construction efforts of certain clubs and therefore disadvantaging others.
England will easily have 10 x 50k stadiums by 2018

Already Built

Manchester - 76,000
London (Wembley) - 90,000
London (Arsenal) - 60,000
Newcastle - 52,000

Planned New ground

Liverpool - 60,000

Planned extensions of present ground

Birmingham (Villa) - 51,000
Sunderland - 65,000

Only 3 more would be needed these would probably be Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol out of all these grounds the only ones that could be seen as possibly unsustainable would be Bristol.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:55 AM   #1512
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That planned stadium in Perth sure looks good
whats the news on that stadium? stadium WA or subiaco? any news?
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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:02 AM   #1513
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FIFA currently only allow one host city to have more than one stadium...
True and that is a problem Australia would encounter, however FIFA change their mind every second day so come 2018/2022 they may have altered their criteria and allow Sydney and Melbourne to have 2 stadiums each.

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whats the news on that stadium? stadium WA or subiaco? any news?
Not sure, the WA Govt is still investigating all the pros and cons of the stadiums. The WAFC want to redevelop Subiaco to 60,000 seats.

At the same time, there is a push to redevelop Members Equity Stadium (Perth's rectangular stadium) to 35,000 capacity. If this went ahead, they'd simply do a minor redevelopment to make it 40,000 seats for a WC.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:25 AM   #1514
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FIFA currently only allow one host city to have more than one stadium...
Isn't it funny how this "FIFA rule" only pops up when an Australian bid is discussed?
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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:59 AM   #1515
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I went to the 2006 WC and English fans were easily the worst, never in my life had I FEARED for my life more than when I was watching the QF between England and Portugal and being on the Portugal fan's side....
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Old December 16th, 2006, 09:10 AM   #1516
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Isn't it funny how this "FIFA rule" only pops up when an Australian bid is discussed?
Just Wiki FIFA World Cup and you can maybe find it or not find it. I've never read it looking for that rule, but if its like most of the FIFA requirements it will say "If at all possible"
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Old December 16th, 2006, 09:31 AM   #1517
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England will easily have 10 x 50k stadiums by 2018

Already Built

Manchester - 76,000
London (Wembley) - 90,000
London (Arsenal) - 60,000
Newcastle - 52,000

Planned New ground

Liverpool - 60,000

Planned extensions of present ground

Birmingham (Villa) - 51,000
Sunderland - 65,000

Only 3 more would be needed these would probably be Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol out of all these grounds the only ones that could be seen as possibly unsustainable would be Bristol.

Canada could easily have 12 stadiums 50 000+ by 2018
BC place 60 000
CommonWealth stadium 60 000+
Olympic Stadium 60 000+
Rogers Centre 55 000+
McMahon 50 000+
Taylor Field 50 000+
Canad Inns Stadium 50 000+
Ivor Wyne Stadium 50 000+
Frank Clair Stadium 50 000+
Griffith Stadium 50 000+
TD Waterhouse Stadium 50 000+
Rouge et Orange Stadium 50 000+
Halifax Commonwealth Stadium 50 000+
St John's Memorial Stadium 50 000+

So we could do as good as you!
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:43 PM   #1518
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True and that is a problem Australia would encounter, however FIFA change their mind every second day so come 2018/2022 they may have altered their criteria and allow Sydney and Melbourne to have 2 stadiums each.
It all Depends on how much FIFA wants the WC to go to Australia. Like they were willing to allow a little flexibility so South Africa got it and it looks the same with Brazil.

Melbourne and Sydney have always been bitching against each other to see whose Best. Well we still dont know so FIFA might have to allow them both have 2 stadiums each (mind you they arent the worst stadiums). But you also gotta consider that Brisbane in about 'x' years could be a Major, Major City and Perth with our Resource Boom could do anything.

Alot can change between now and then.

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Not sure, the WA Govt is still investigating all the pros and cons of the stadiums. The WAFC want to redevelop Subiaco to 60,000 seats.

At the same time, there is a push to redevelop Members Equity Stadium (Perth's rectangular stadium) to 35,000 capacity. If this went ahead, they'd simply do a minor redevelopment to make it 40,000 seats for a WC.
The WA government is waiting on a Report to determine the most feasible option out of 3 (which does include Redevelopment of Subiaco in the exact same way as the MCG). However the WAFC does want to retain Management (or control) of the Ground. The obstacle is that no ground is feasible without Football and hence the building is under review and not already built.

And now you have that Rich kid Packer with hes grand ideas. (See the PErth Board). Where ever its built... I just hope its a Stadium that could rival the Emirates, Wembleys, Phoenix etc in levels of class.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 04:14 PM   #1519
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England will easily have 10 x 50k stadiums by 2018

Already Built

Manchester - 76,000
London (Wembley) - 90,000
London (Arsenal) - 60,000
Newcastle - 52,000

Planned New ground

Liverpool - 60,000

Planned extensions of present ground

Birmingham (Villa) - 51,000
Sunderland - 65,000

Only 3 more would be needed these would probably be Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol out of all these grounds the only ones that could be seen as possibly unsustainable would be Bristol.
My original point was that if FIFA leave their standard as 8 x 40k in 7 cities (or whatever), then England is a hard bid to reject... However, if they up it to 8 x 50k, England will struggle because clubs who have already built their new stadiums will not want to invest further as most would struggle to fill the extra seats after the world cup.

For example, Sunderland (my club) will never need 65k (we struggled to fill the 48k we had when we were 7th in the Prem), Bristol will never need 40k, Leeds won't not need 50k for a loooong time, neither will Sheff Wed. Sheff's Wed and Utd will never groundshare, neither will Villa and Birmingham, and/or Liverpool and Everton.

On the one hand - Wigan, Bolton, Reading, Leicester, Southampton, Middlesbrough, Derby Co., Coventry, and all the other clubs who have recently built stadiums with capacities lower than 40k, have all struggled to fill their grounds - so what hope of filling another 10k seats for any of them?

On the other hand - assuming extra serats could be filled... The Government/FA will not invest in extending (for example) Derby Co's ground, because this would dissadvantage others who are competing with County.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 04:47 PM   #1520
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Canada could easily have 12 stadiums 50 000+ by 2018
BC place 60 000
CommonWealth stadium 60 000+
Olympic Stadium 60 000+
Rogers Centre 55 000+
McMahon 50 000+
Taylor Field 50 000+
Canad Inns Stadium 50 000+
Ivor Wyne Stadium 50 000+
Frank Clair Stadium 50 000+
Griffith Stadium 50 000+
TD Waterhouse Stadium 50 000+
Rouge et Orange Stadium 50 000+
Halifax Commonwealth Stadium 50 000+
St John's Memorial Stadium 50 000+

So we could do as good as you!



If a World Cup game is held at a 50 000 + seat TD Waterhouse Stadium (or 3/4 of the other stadia on the list) I will take it as a sign of the apocalypse.
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