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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old December 18th, 2006, 05:36 AM   #1541
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St. James's Park would certainly be used, it has some of the best fans in the country and Newcastle is a great city. I won't start to cross my fingers for Sunderland's stadium being used though, as what the hell will supporters visiting the city do when they aren't at a football game?
(a) jokey answer - the glass museum, Roker beach, or a few drinks in any of our many many hostelries

(b) realistic answer - hop on the Metro and be back in Newcastle within 30 minutes.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 10:14 AM   #1542
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I thought i'd get shot down for saying St. James Park was ugly. Sure, the new stand look fantastic, but it looks kinda silly how it steps down from those enormous stands to the 2 small sides. Sorry if i offended anyone, that wasn't me intention.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 11:56 AM   #1543
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I thought i'd get shot down for saying St. James Park was ugly. Sure, the new stand look fantastic, but it looks kinda silly how it steps down from those enormous stands to the 2 small sides. Sorry if i offended anyone, that wasn't me intention.
No worries mate, it is lop-sided and ugly - as are many of the supporters to inhabit it - however, as football stadiums go, it carries it's own atmosphere and a tremendous (ancient) history... And if you want real ugly - just remember how it looked in the mid 80's, when that small stand along the side was considered to be top class!
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Old December 18th, 2006, 12:38 PM   #1544
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Haha, yeah you're right! I think it would be a fabulous stadium with those big stands all the way around. I know it can't happen though.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 04:15 PM   #1545
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well its june july or nothing. unless the year is 2022 and the european league season has drastically changed its aug-may timetable.
im very sure we (australia) wont get the WC in 2018. As much as im hoping we do, i doubt that we will.

However if FIFA can struck some behind the scenes agreement with the FFA (football federation australia) that we dont bid in 2018 (to ensure Europe gets the games), the 2022 cup is all ours. Which means we can scedule it our way, with our stadiums and dates.

Its in the interest of everyone weather its FIFA, Australia or just general civilians that the best possible WC is delivered. Thats what we all want right?????
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Old December 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM   #1546
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im very sure we (australia) wont get the WC in 2018. As much as im hoping we do, i doubt that we will.

However if FIFA can struck some behind the scenes agreement with the FFA (football federation australia) that we dont bid in 2018 (to ensure Europe gets the games), the 2022 cup is all ours. Which means we can scedule it our way, with our stadiums and dates.

Its in the interest of everyone weather its FIFA, Australia or just general civilians that the best possible WC is delivered. Thats what we all want right?????
im sorry it doesnt not work like that. its FIFA's tournament, their schedule their rules and their rules to change if they feel it is appropriate.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #1547
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FIFA may consider China over England to promote the sport more to the country, like it did so successfully with USA, Japan/S. Korea etc. But I hope that England would win, ofcourse. In fact I'd prefer if Brazil 2014 was given to England, and China had 2018 as both countries would easily be ready for the tournament.

... but I'm not in charge, FIFA are...
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Old December 19th, 2006, 01:11 AM   #1548
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Canada could easily have 12 stadiums 50 000+ by 2018
BC place 60 000
CommonWealth stadium 60 000+
Olympic Stadium 60 000+
Rogers Centre 55 000+
McMahon 50 000+
Taylor Field 50 000+
Canad Inns Stadium 50 000+
Ivor Wyne Stadium 50 000+
Frank Clair Stadium 50 000+
Griffith Stadium 50 000+
TD Waterhouse Stadium 50 000+
Rouge et Orange Stadium 50 000+
Halifax Commonwealth Stadium 50 000+
St John's Memorial Stadium 50 000+

So we could do as good as you!
First of all, the World Cup does not require that many stadiums. Secondly, the minimum World Cup capacity for nearly all of the stadiums is 40,000.



Here's some realistic stats:

VANCOUVER

BC Place Stadium (existing, 1983)
- seats 60,000
- needs to be renovated





Waterfront Stadium (planned, 2011)
- seats 15,000 initially (designed so that another tier of seating can be added, to increase seating to 30,000. A temporary north stand can also be built, seating 10,000. Total of 40,000 seats)






EDMONTON

Commonwealth Stadium (existing, 1978)
- seats 60,000
- needs renovation





CALGARY

McMahon Stadium (replacement, new)
- seats 40,000



SASKATOON

Mosaic Stadium (existing, 1946)
- seats 27,000 (expanded to 40,000)
- renovation




WINNIPEG

Destination Complex (planned)
- seats 30,000 (temporarily expandable to 50,000)






TORONTO

BMO Field (currently under construction)
- seats 20,000 (temporary expansion to 40,000)





Rogers Centre (existing)
- seats 53,000
- renovation






OTTAWA

Frank Clair Stadium (existing, 1908)
- seats 29,000 (expanded to 40,000)
- renovation





HAMILTON

Ivor Wynne Stadium (existing, 1930)
- seats 29,000 (expanded to 40,000)
- renovation





MONTREAL

Olympic Stadium (existing, 1975)
- seats 66,000
- renovation






Molson Stadium (existing, 1916)
- seats 25,000 (expanded to 40,000)
- renovation




HALIFAX

Commonwealth Stadium (new)
- seats 25,000 (temporary expansion to 40,000)
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Old December 19th, 2006, 01:21 AM   #1549
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im very sure we (australia) wont get the WC in 2018. As much as im hoping we do, i doubt that we will.

However if FIFA can struck some behind the scenes agreement with the FFA (football federation australia) that we dont bid in 2018 (to ensure Europe gets the games), the 2022 cup is all ours. Which means we can scedule it our way, with our stadiums and dates.

Its in the interest of everyone weather its FIFA, Australia or just general civilians that the best possible WC is delivered. Thats what we all want right?????
A bit naive I'm affraid. Whilst it's true that Oz would put on a fantastic tournament (as they always do) - the lack of top class facilities (at the moment) is still too much of a hurdle - FIFA have no need to strike a deal with anyone. There will always be more bidders than are required...

For example - we already have Brazil and Colombia putting in bids for 2014, with Argentina making noises as well, the USA ready to jump in, Mexico always keen, and even Canada showing signs of interest - and that's just the Americas.

For 2018, most likely in Europe - you'll have England and Spain for sure, probably Holland too, and Portugal could put in a pretty good bid too. Add to that the fact that by 2018 it will have been 28 years since Italy hosted (Germany hosted in 74 and 06, only 32 years apart, so Italy might still believe they have a shot), and then there's Russia, Greece, etc.

For 2022, most likely in Asia (although the rotation policy will not officially be in operation by then), we'll have Australia and China, but also the UAE (who are forging strong links with FIFA and have money to burn on stadiums and promotion), also all the other oil rich nations which will be steadilly 'westernised' over the next decade (God Bless America!). 2022 could also see Africa encouraged to put in a new bid - with Morocco (who put in a good bid for 2010) a good shot (especially due to their proximity to Southern Europe).

Worst of all for Australia would be if FIFA scrapped the rotation all together and just made each tournament bid a free-for-all, meaning that - at the very least, Australia would be bidding against ALL of the above.

The best chance for Aussie would be if the A-League really takes off, and by 2014 they already have 10 big stadiums completed - PLUS South Africa and "Brazil" have major problems which leads FIFA to searching for 'completed' venues at the time of the bid prior to awarding finals in future.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 01:33 AM   #1550
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Mr X...

In other words, of the 13 stadia in your provisional bid, 9 are in need of renovation (3 of them to more than double their current capacity), and 4 are brand new stadiums (all of which are planned with capacities of 30k or less).

It'll be a hard sell.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 01:43 AM   #1551
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Wow you people need to relax about Canada and bidding for the WC. MY post was all in fun. There is no way that Canada would bid let alone win the rights to host 2018.

I guess I forgot the SARCASM!

MR X, Mosaic Stadium (Taylor Field) is in Regina not Saskatoon.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 02:18 AM   #1552
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If Australia is going to have trouble having the required stadia over x amount of cities, then how the hell could it work in Dubai?? FIFA will lose all credibility if the WC ever goes there.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 02:19 AM   #1553
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Not to mention the heat!!!
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Old December 19th, 2006, 02:55 AM   #1554
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How many nations have hosted 2 or more world cups and how close were these together. It seems a bit ridiculous if the USA did get it in 2018 to have 2 world cups within 24 years of each other, no matter what the facilities.
Mexico has hosted 1970 and 1986
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Old December 19th, 2006, 03:00 AM   #1555
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A bit naive I'm affraid. Whilst it's true that Oz would put on a fantastic tournament (as they always do) - the lack of top class facilities (at the moment) is still too much of a hurdle - FIFA have no need to strike a deal with anyone. There will always be more bidders than are required...

For example - we already have Brazil and Colombia putting in bids for 2014, with Argentina making noises as well, the USA ready to jump in, Mexico always keen, and even Canada showing signs of interest - and that's just the Americas.

For 2018, most likely in Europe - you'll have England and Spain for sure, probably Holland too, and Portugal could put in a pretty good bid too. Add to that the fact that by 2018 it will have been 28 years since Italy hosted (Germany hosted in 74 and 06, only 32 years apart, so Italy might still believe they have a shot), and then there's Russia, Greece, etc.

For 2022, most likely in Asia (although the rotation policy will not officially be in operation by then), we'll have Australia and China, but also the UAE (who are forging strong links with FIFA and have money to burn on stadiums and promotion), also all the other oil rich nations which will be steadilly 'westernised' over the next decade (God Bless America!). 2022 could also see Africa encouraged to put in a new bid - with Morocco (who put in a good bid for 2010) a good shot (especially due to their proximity to Southern Europe).

Worst of all for Australia would be if FIFA scrapped the rotation all together and just made each tournament bid a free-for-all, meaning that - at the very least, Australia would be bidding against ALL of the above.

The best chance for Aussie would be if the A-League really takes off, and by 2014 they already have 10 big stadiums completed - PLUS South Africa and "Brazil" have major problems which leads FIFA to searching for 'completed' venues at the time of the bid prior to awarding finals in future.
"major problems"?
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Old December 19th, 2006, 05:03 AM   #1556
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Mexico has hosted 1970 and 1986
Yea but the second time was as an emergency host as Colombia couldn't handle it.
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Worst of all for Australia would be if FIFA scrapped the rotation all together and just made each tournament bid a free-for-all, meaning that - at the very least, Australia would be bidding against ALL of the above.

The best chance for Aussie would be if the A-League really takes off, and by 2014 they already have 10 big stadiums completed - PLUS South Africa and "Brazil" have major problems which leads FIFA to searching for 'completed' venues at the time of the bid prior to awarding finals in future.
FIFA already scrapped the rotation after 2014, it was just meant to get South Africa and Brazil the WC.

After that it should be...

2018- Europe
2022- Rest of World
2026- Europe
2030- Uruguay
2034- Rest of World
2038- Europe
2042- Rest of World
2046- WW III

And South Africa is going along fine for 2010.

If 2014 goes to anybody else, Mexico and the USA will be first in line to host it.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 05:52 AM   #1558
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I can dream? no where in World Cup bidding does it say you have to have the facilities in place before you bid. Seriously what else would they use? BMO? not unless you add 30 000 seats. So why can't a stadium in Saskatoon, London, Halifax, St John's, etc be renovated expanded.

No where in my original post did it say these stadiums are currently available. For all of you who have missed it I said COULD not would. Big difference.
I never brought up BMO!! And yes, it could be used, maybe because it is the future home of the national team AND expanding a 20 000 seat stadium with pleanty of space to go, is easier than expanding an 8 000 capacity bleacher creature!

Just look at BMO, and TD Waterhouse Stadium in London which you DID mention:





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Old December 19th, 2006, 06:30 AM   #1559
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BMO would never be used not with Rogers Centre a mile or two away.Easier to put in a truf field in the stadium instead of adding 30 000 seats.

As for TD Waterhouse. It has as much potential to expand as BMO, but it at least would serve a different market.

But like I said we won't have to worry about it in our life time as Canada and the WC are as likely as living on Mars.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 08:11 AM   #1560
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A bit naive I'm affraid. Whilst it's true that Oz would put on a fantastic tournament (as they always do) - the lack of top class facilities (at the moment) is still too much of a hurdle - FIFA have no need to strike a deal with anyone. There will always be more bidders than are required...

For example - we already have Brazil and Colombia putting in bids for 2014, with Argentina making noises as well, the USA ready to jump in, Mexico always keen, and even Canada showing signs of interest - and that's just the Americas.

For 2018, most likely in Europe - you'll have England and Spain for sure, probably Holland too, and Portugal could put in a pretty good bid too. Add to that the fact that by 2018 it will have been 28 years since Italy hosted (Germany hosted in 74 and 06, only 32 years apart, so Italy might still believe they have a shot), and then there's Russia, Greece, etc.

For 2022, most likely in Asia (although the rotation policy will not officially be in operation by then), we'll have Australia and China, but also the UAE (who are forging strong links with FIFA and have money to burn on stadiums and promotion), also all the other oil rich nations which will be steadilly 'westernised' over the next decade (God Bless America!). 2022 could also see Africa encouraged to put in a new bid - with Morocco (who put in a good bid for 2010) a good shot (especially due to their proximity to Southern Europe).

Worst of all for Australia would be if FIFA scrapped the rotation all together and just made each tournament bid a free-for-all, meaning that - at the very least, Australia would be bidding against ALL of the above.

The best chance for Aussie would be if the A-League really takes off, and by 2014 they already have 10 big stadiums completed - PLUS South Africa and "Brazil" have major problems which leads FIFA to searching for 'completed' venues at the time of the bid prior to awarding finals in future.

Mate i think were on different pages although i agree with ya. Do we expect FIFA to conduct some behind the scene agreement??? No, thats just plain unethical. But what i was trying to say however is that if FIFA can forge some special relations with the FFA in regards to growing the game here, then why not. However this will all start with how well the A-league goes, as you have pointed out.

Australia can hold an Outstanding WC, thats no question. The only question is how much FIFA wants the WC to go to Australia in front of countries such as Morroco, China etc.
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