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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 24th, 2005, 01:44 PM   #141
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Now that the MCG has its athletics track, we can consider it rectangular too by that logic. Even if it's going to be removed after next year.

The new stadium planned for Melbourne could potentially host a lot too. Telstra Dome probably won't have its seats moved (since it's just so costly and it's only ever been done once to a massive failure, with equipment apparently now in disrepair). I say dig a hole in Telstra Dome and put seats on the banking there - it's not like the grass grows under the roof anyway.

And finish off Aussie Rules? Dream on. Let's see, the current competition... 108 years old. Oldest club in said competition - established around 1860. Aussie Rule's biggest threat was probably the influx of immigrants post WWII.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 02:17 PM   #142
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Now that the MCG has its athletics track, we can consider it rectangular too by that logic. Even if it's going to be removed after next year.

The new stadium planned for Melbourne could potentially host a lot too. Telstra Dome probably won't have its seats moved (since it's just so costly and it's only ever been done once to a massive failure, with equipment apparently now in disrepair). I say dig a hole in Telstra Dome and put seats on the banking there - it's not like the grass grows under the roof anyway.

And finish off Aussie Rules? Dream on. Let's see, the current competition... 108 years old. Oldest club in said competition - established around 1860. Aussie Rule's biggest threat was probably the influx of immigrants post WWII.
I wouldnt dig too deep into Telstra Dome, you may dig up a car or a few.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 02:48 PM   #143
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1. australia wont have any issues with stadia or media or hotels or most other aspects....
2.it would host a great world cup...


i think the only real issues is the support it would get...whether it deserves it and whether its time for fifa to move into the oceania region just yet...
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Old November 24th, 2005, 03:17 PM   #144
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Indeed I doubt stadia would be a problem for Australia, compaired to most hosts you'd actually need to construct relavively few new venues. Cricket/Aussie rules pitchs are afterall pretty much the same size as athletics tracks so you'd been allowed to use 3 of them.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:36 PM   #145
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England won't be Oz's biggest threat for the 2018 World Cup finals, it will be China. FIFA wants it there, that is where the super big money will be in 10-15 years time.
Certainly China will be Australia's biggest rival as and when it is Asia's turn to host the World Cup.

But I'm not sure that that will be in 2018. As already pointed out, FIFA's big paymasters (and likely to remain so for quite a few decades more, despite China's relentless economic progress) are in Europe. And I doubt very much that FIFA would want to keep the World Cup away from Europe for 16 years.

Of the major European nations, it is England's turn to be hosts and Sepp Blatter has already indicated that he would be very keen on a World Cup in England in 2018. And FIFA can't wait to get their hands on Wembley!

England will almost certainly be favourites when bidding commences. I think China or Australia will be more likely in 2022.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:40 PM   #146
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Its Englands in 2018. Theres just know seeing past that. I really want Australia to get it but it wont be till 2022 at the earliest.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:43 PM   #147
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One more point:

Since the fiasco of England's bid for the 2006 World Cup, the English FA have finally realised that they have to play FIFA politics. Consequently, they have been on a charm offensive, building friendships and alliances with many other FIFA representatives from all over the world. I suspect that, in this regard, they are far in advance of China and Australia and, for better or worse, FIFA politics is important at decision time.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:49 PM   #148
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England were asked to pull out of the race for the 2006 World Cup after the violence in Belgium and Holland, but refused and that alone lost them the vote, if English fans behaved themself we would be seeing next years world cup final being played at Wembley but its not the case and come 2018 I can only see one country getting the tournment, and its in the northern hemisphere.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:58 PM   #149
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Certainly China will be Australia's biggest rival as and when it is Asia's turn to host the World Cup.

But I'm not sure that that will be in 2018. As already pointed out, FIFA's big paymasters (and likely to remain so for quite a few decades more, despite China's relentless economic progress) are in Europe. And I doubt very much that FIFA would want to keep the World Cup away from Europe for 16 years.

Of the major European nations, it is England's turn to be hosts and Sepp Blatter has already indicated that he would be very keen on a World Cup in England in 2018. And FIFA can't wait to get their hands on Wembley!

England will almost certainly be favourites when bidding commences. I think China or Australia will be more likely in 2022.
If the current trend of club football gaining importance at the expense of international football carries on then I could see it effecting the choice aswell. Under those circumstances I'd say FIFA would be less interested in trying encourage growth in new territories like the US, Australia, Japan, China etc and more interesting in hyping the WC's importance in established footballing nations. South Africa of course has the advanatge that while distant from europe its only 1 hour ahead of most of it so people will be able to watch matchs without staying up until 2am or taking the day off work.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 06:08 PM   #150
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England 2018!
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Old November 24th, 2005, 06:25 PM   #151
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Its Englands in 2018. Theres just know seeing past that.

Thats the sort of attitude a Parisian might have had about the 2012 Olympics.

I agree we have a great chance, but no counting chickens.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 01:18 AM   #152
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Telstra DomePretty sure the seats can be changed to more of a rectangular formation)
If that was true, they surely would have been for the Rugby World Cup.

As I understand it, that was the original plan, but it was abandoned due to cost.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 01:21 AM   #153
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Cricket/Aussie rules pitchs are afterall pretty much the same size as athletics tracks so you'd been allowed to use 3 of them.
I don't know about that - take a look at the athletics track being installed at the MCG for the Commonwealth Games in March. I've never seen seating that far back from the track at an athletics stadium...

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Old November 26th, 2005, 01:53 AM   #154
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If that was true, they surely would have been for the Rugby World Cup.
It is true...TD does have a retractable lower tier that can be moved in on all four sides.

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As I understand it, that was the original plan, but it was abandoned due to cost
The retractable lower tier has been used on about two occasions for a soccer match and a rugby league game but the costs associated with the whole operation, and the loss of about 3,000 paying seats are a big deterant for most teams.

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I don't know about that - take a look at the athletics track being installed at the MCG for the Commonwealth Games in March. I've never seen seating that far back from the track at an athletics stadium...
The MCG is a little wider than most stadiums with athletic tracks but it's also alot shorter than them. About eight rows of seating had to be removed at one end to allow the running track to fit.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 02:40 AM   #155
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i don't think the australians are quite able to grasp the importance of this. this isn't just some international sporting event, like the rugby world cup, or the cricket world cup, this is THE world cup.

now we're talking about the home of football here, the home of the FA, a place that's consistently produced some of the best footballers in the world, and some of the best football clubs on the planet, already in possession of all the 40,000+ capacity, modern, purpose-built, world-renowned football stadiums the world cup needs, in which full-houses are guarenteed, that's only hosted the world cup once, a near half-century ago, in a footballing-mad continent which, by the time of 2018, won't have hosted the thing for 12yrs. can you imagine australia not hosting a make-believe aussie rules international event for so long!? we're talking about football as an integral part of the national culture here.

now it's all very well to argue how nice it'd be to bump the profile of the game up a little bit over there, and how sitting miles from the action would be tolerable if only those silly football lovers would modify their views, but it's a little bit more important than that.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 02:40 AM   #156
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I don't know about that - take a look at the athletics track being installed at the MCG for the Commonwealth Games in March. I've never seen seating that far back from the track at an athletics stadium...

Hard to tell from that picture but it looks like the gap on the near side is larger than on the far side. The pic below(before the most recent renovation) offers a better view...



Compair that to the Ataturk for example and the difference doesnt look much to me.

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Old November 26th, 2005, 03:07 AM   #157
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now for england's likely venues...

wembley
capacity: 90,000
primary use: home to the england national football team, and the home of football
status: currently under total redevelopment, due for completion by march 2006




old trafford
capacity: 76,000
primary use: home to manchester united fc
status: north east and north west corners currently under redevelopment, due for completion by august 2006
possible future expansion: the main (south stand) could be redeveloped, taking the capacity to 91,000, but this is at the moment only speculative




new anfield (has planning permission, the club are currently securing funding)
capacity: 60,000-61,000
primary use: home to liverpool footbal club




emirates stadium
capacity: 60,000
primary use: home to arsenal fc
status: currently under construction, due for completion by august 2006




new city of birmingham stadium
capacity: 55,000
primary use: multipurpose




st james' park
capacity: 52,316
primary use: home to newcastle united fc
possible future expansion: expansion of the gallowgate end is a possibility, though no firm plans exist




stadium of light
capacity: 48,300
primary use: home to sunderland afc
possible future expansion: a second tier could be added to the metro fm (south) stand, taking the capacity to 55,000, and then the mcewans stand, taking the capacity to 64,000. this would only be likely to happen should sunderland magically start competing for trohpies or, more likely, england secure the 2018 world cup




city of manchester stadium
capacity: 48,000
primary use: home to manchester city fc




villa park
capacity: 42,573
primary use: home to aston villa fc
possible future expansion there are rumours of 51,000, but nothing concrete




10. stamford bridge
capacity: 42,449
primary use: home to chelsea fc
possible future expansion: possible redevelopment to somewhere in the region of 50,000, though relocation also remains a possibility.






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other possible venues:

- london olympic stadium (80,000): has planning permission.


new everton stadium / redeveloped goodison park (50,000+?): only speculation right now, could simply redevelop goodison park

new spurs stadium / redeveloped white hart lane (?): only speculation right now, could simply redevelop white hart lane

... plus twickenham, the millenium stadium, and other scottish stadiums...

... plus a load of 30,000 seaters that are designed to, and could quite easily, be redeveloped into 40,000+ seater venues.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 03:31 AM   #158
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Hard to tell from that picture but it looks like the gap on the near side is larger than on the far side. The pic below(before the most recent renovation) offers a better view...



Compair that to the Ataturk for example and the difference doesnt look much to me.

The MCG is a diffrent shape to traditional Athletic Stadia. Thats why it will have a diffrent affect. Regardless, the MCG will be a magnificent Centrepiece to the games, and if the preperations of the Comonwealth games is anything to go by, Melbourne would host superb Olympic games if they ever got the chance again. What are your thoughts on Football in the MCG?
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Old November 26th, 2005, 09:21 AM   #159
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Oz should do a deal with England at the very least. We let you guys have 2018 as long as you guys let us have 2022.

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Old November 26th, 2005, 01:30 PM   #160
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Oz should do a deal with England at the very least. We let you guys have 2018 as long as you guys let us have 2022.

Deal.......
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