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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old February 21st, 2007, 04:54 AM   #1681
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I think it's safe to say, the reason USA '94 had the highest attendance numbers, because it had very large stadia across all venues. The WC could probably be hosted on the moon with those same size stadiums & still get the same attendance numbers.

That's not taking away anything from the '94 tournament drew though. I just think it could draw the same amount of people just about anywhere if the capacity is there.

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Old February 21st, 2007, 09:43 AM   #1682
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optimistic that must be it, go to ebay type in la galaxy beckham, tickets are being sold for over 1000$, go to the bmo field on this forum and look at how many season ticket holders there are..ya im optimistic, business and the running of business is what north americans do best, you will see the best players will come the north america, watch and see, mls within the next 10 years will be in the top 3 leagues in the world, go look at toronto fc's roster there is some quality players there and as the league grows the cap will be higher and higher each year allowing players to make more then more players will come, players go to the money, ie figo, quatar, delgado quatar, batistuta quatar, rivaldo oly, for the most part the players want money and they will get it in the usa, as for a world cup bid could austrailia support 8, 50 000 seat plus stadiums because by 2018 or whatever there will be a bigger increase for bigger stadiums and you know the usa could host a world cup in a few states, soooo
Or could it be US Soccer is so starved of stars that they will pay good money to see a player well past its prime. Sorry but I think many wont share your optimism- since US94 & the formation of the MLS afterwards , quite a few years now how come the MLS has hardly grown & is still very much a minor league or world terms?? Isn't the Mexican league the most successful in North America.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 01:11 PM   #1683
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In fairness, the Americans tried the 'big bang' start to their league in the 70s, it didn't work, so they came back by building slowly.
Attendances at MLS may not be spectacular, but they are building steadily - never stadiums are being built (and often filled), and the game WILL continue to grow over there, because as most of us know - it's the greatest sport on Earth.

Whether it will ever challenge the established sports is unlikely, but there's a lot of room for it to garner a healthy following. By 2022 I would think it would be capable of hosting a World Cup Finals entirely within dedicated 'soccer' stadiums - a prospect which would definately interest FIFA, and challenge any bid from China, Australia, etc.

Niceness out of the way, whilst I understand the financial gains to be made by importing the likes of David Beckham, I do hope they don't believe that it's going to raise the standard of their game to world class levels. I hear that Harry Kewell may be the next 'big name' (read, 'burn out') set for the MLS - if so, they better make sure that whoever he signs for has a top notch medical department and a very comfy physiotherapy table.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 01:17 PM   #1684
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I think it's safe to say, the reason USA '94 had the highest attendance numbers, because it had very large stadia across all venues. The WC could probably be hosted on the moon with those same size stadiums & still get the same attendance numbers.

That's not taking away anything from the '94 tournament drew though. I just think it could draw the same amount of people just about anywhere if the capacity is there.
Not forgetting that one of my best mates was working for an advertising agency in LA on the day of the World Cup Final, and was given 20 tickets to 'get rid of' - and couldn't find anyone who was willing to give up their afternoon in return for a FREE ticket to the final. He ended up attending the game with his boss and 18 tickets in his pocket!
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Old February 21st, 2007, 01:31 PM   #1685
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I love your enthusiasum mate. Kudos for that. But seriously man, MLS top 3 leagues in the world??? LOL

P.S. Going by your logic, by 2018 or so, if every host country would to have to have 8 50,000+ seat stadia, that wouldn't leave too many eligible countries.
During the last WC in Germany it was evident that the organisers could have sold multiple times more tickets if the stadiums were bigger. In the future could we see temporary stadiums supplimenting the current stadiums? Stadiums that could hold 100,000 but would be demolished later.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 03:47 PM   #1686
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During the last WC in Germany it was evident that the organisers could have sold multiple times more tickets if the stadiums were bigger. In the future could we see temporary stadiums supplimenting the current stadiums? Stadiums that could hold 100,000 but would be demolished later.
FIFA are keen on the World Cup 'legacy', a finals tournament leaving magnificent stadia behind to continue to serve the football community. I seem to remember some fuss about demolitions or lack of use of stadiums in Japan/Korea (not sure, someone here will know the full story though).

I would think that temp stadiums would cease to be costworthy if they were required to come up to the standards FIFA requires - which would pretty much kill them off.

I can't see the logic in building a 100k seater for 50 million, using it for 4 or 5 games, then tearing it down again - but then again, they're doing something similar for the Olympics in London, so who knows!
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Old February 21st, 2007, 09:07 PM   #1687
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i know what your saying jack and they wouldn't of been included, im not cussing their country for the fun of it or to be nasty im just stating facts, and i think this is when a country like australia deserved it, but no, fifa would rather australia win or lose to a period when its due back to europe.

my only problem is the african government say they dont have a problem, and if their attitudes dont change come 2010 then it will be people like you saying how the hell did the wc end up there, seems to me you all think its ok as long as the fans will be ok, and thats just wrong.

all its doing is helping England win the 2018 bid because after africa and brazil they will need England to make up the lost revenue.

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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:11 AM   #1688
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Not forgetting that one of my best mates was working for an advertising agency in LA on the day of the World Cup Final, and was given 20 tickets to 'get rid of' - and couldn't find anyone who was willing to give up their afternoon in return for a FREE ticket to the final. He ended up attending the game with his boss and 18 tickets in his pocket!
Serious?? That's madness!!
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:16 AM   #1689
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Niceness out of the way, whilst I understand the financial gains to be made by importing the likes of David Beckham, I do hope they don't believe that it's going to raise the standard of their game to world class levels. I hear that Harry Kewell may be the next 'big name' (read, 'burn out') set for the MLS - if so, they better make sure that whoever he signs for has a top notch medical department and a very comfy physiotherapy table.
Noooo, Harry!! Don't you dare go to MLS!!!...... He's better than that. I hope this time when he comes back from injury, he can stay healthy.

dunwyn: You're right, they could've sold more tickets had they been available. Just ask the aussie fans!!!
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:29 AM   #1690
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Noooo, Harry!! Don't you dare go to MLS!!!...... He's better than that. I hope this time when he comes back from injury, he can stay healthy.
No, he's finished. Four years of more or less constant injuries, one after the other, he'll never be the player he used to be - and if he wants to earn big money (which seems to be his desire), a move to the US is the only realistic shot he has.

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dunwyn: You're right, they could've sold more tickets had they been available. Just ask the aussie fans!!!
A Spanish fan offered me 500 euros for my ticket to Spain vs Saudi, when I said no, he said, "Name your price"... All of the 'major' footballing nations were heavilly represented in Germany. It might be different in the US, China, Australia, South America, etc., as not as many Europeans would travel. Polish, Croatians, etc., whilst short on cash, could easilly jump in the car and drive up to Germany, watch the match, then drive home - to the extent that we watched Germany vs Poland with a few thousand Polish fans who had driven over the border to watch the game on the big screen in Nurenberg (despite the game taking place on the other side of the country).
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 06:59 AM   #1691
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He won't go to the USA. Mark my words. If he gets transfered, Tottenham look likely.

Anyways....I'm going off topic.

You're right, there might not be as many travelling fans in a country like Australia, USA etc. I would think by now, WC tickets would all still sellout no problems. Take Sydney Olympics for example, they didn't have too much trouble selling out most events there.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 07:33 AM   #1692
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Serious?? That's madness!!
True story. Of course, it might have been different had he ventured to one of the more hispanic areas of LA (where football is king) - but he was trying to give them away in one of the business districts and then outside the ground. World Cup fever obviously hadn't spread to the point that guys were rocking up to the venue without tickets in the hopes of finding a chubby cockney with free tickets.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 08:34 AM   #1693
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The US is a different country today as far as soccer goes and immigrant population. Would be a different WC.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 12:58 PM   #1694
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USA bid.......... here's a list floating around.....

-Zone 1, groups A, B
Northeast: New York (New Giants Stadium 75k), Boston (Foxboro 68k), Philadelpia (Lincoln 68k) (no d.c. due to width issue, though were it the right size Fedex would be a shoe in)
-Zone 2, groups C, D
Midwest: Chicago (New Soldier Field, 61k), Kansas City (Arrowhead 79k), St. Louis (EJ Dome 66k) (poss. swap for Ford Field in Detroit here)
-Zone 3, groups E, F
South: Dallas (New Cowboy Stadium, 80k), Houston (Reliant 70k), New Orleans (Superdome 72k) (there are some other options here too, incl. a number of SEC/big 12 college stadiums, the alamo dome, etc)
-Zone 4, groups G, H
West: Phoenix (UofP- 72k (expanded)), Los Angeles (Rose Bowl, 90k+), San Diego (New NFL Stadium, (plans only at current), 75k)

Can't say I would agree with your choices. Kansas City while a great AF stadium I am not sure is the right market or venue for a WC match. And any domes I think would be a non-starter with maybe a few exceptions. I also don't see how one can leave out important metro's like San Fran.

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Zone 1 -
- Gillette Stadium (Boston)
- NY Giants Stad.(NYC)
- FedEx Field (Wash DC. they have held soccer there before so I don't see why not),
- Lincoln Fin.Field (Philly)

Zone 2
- Dolphin Stadin (Miami) soon to be rehabbed
- Reliant Stad. (Houston)
- new Cowboy stad. (Dallas)
- Invesco Field (Denver)

Zone 3
- Soldier Field II (Chicago)
- Paul Brown Stadium (Cinncy) or Heinz Field (Pittsburgh)
- Ford Field (Detroit) yes, a dome, but hosted in 94 and lets in natural light)
- Lucas Oil Stadium (Indy)
(If the NFL Vikings get a new stadium I would likely replace Minneapolis for one of the last three)

Zone 4
- Qwest Field (Seattle)
- New San Fran 49ers stad. (San Fran) in the works.
- New SoCal NFL stadium (LA or S.D) likely either rehabbed Rose Bowl or LA Col.)
- University of Phoenix Stadium (Phoenix)
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 02:05 PM   #1695
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He won't go to the USA. Mark my words. If he gets transfered, Tottenham look likely.

Anyways....I'm going off topic.

You're right, there might not be as many travelling fans in a country like Australia, USA etc. I would think by now, WC tickets would all still sellout no problems. Take Sydney Olympics for example, they didn't have too much trouble selling out most events there.
The Brits and the English tend to be the most represented, fan wise at most international events.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 03:22 PM   #1696
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Is it safe to say that more people will come to Australia, USA then to places like China, Arab countries??
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:10 PM   #1697
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Can't say I would agree with your choices. Kansas City while a great AF stadium I am not sure is the right market or venue for a WC match. And any domes I think would be a non-starter with maybe a few exceptions. I also don't see how one can leave out important metro's like San Fran.
KC has to be considered because of the Legacy of Lamar Hunt and his contribution to US soccer over the past 40 years. Without Lamar Hunt, there is no MLS, there is no significant national team, and we are not discussing hosting 2018. Plus the stadium in KC is undergoing major upgrades the next few years.

FIFA no longer has problems with domed stadiums. There was 1 in Germany.

You could substitute San Diego with San francisco if you like.

FedEx Field in DC has held soccer games there, however it has been mentioned that if a FIFA sanctioned mens event were to be held, the field would have to be widened. FIFA obviously didn't care about the women playing a WC game there. Wideneing the field there might involve ripping out portion of the lower stands. Not happening.


And the one thing you forgot to take into account is fan travel. The US is bloody massive compared to other countries that have hosted, and our rail network is lacking. Flying is expensive. Therefore you have to take into account that not every great city with a great stadium will get a game solely based on logitstics.

Check out the Amtrak routes for the cities and stadiums I listed, as opposed to your list. This is not a criticism on your list, but rather it's what FIFA told us after WC '94 if we were to ever host the tournament again.

In addition the magic number for hosting cities appears to be around 12.

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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:21 PM   #1698
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Here is the Amtrak map

http://virtualatdp.berkeley.edu/lrn/.../amtrakMap.gif

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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:23 PM   #1699
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Zone 1 -
- Gillette Stadium (Boston)
- NY Giants Stad.(NYC)
- FedEx Field (Wash DC. they have held soccer there before so I don't see why not),
- Lincoln Fin.Field (Philly)

Zone 2
- Dolphin Stadin (Miami) soon to be rehabbed
- Reliant Stad. (Houston)
- new Cowboy stad. (Dallas)
- Invesco Field (Denver)

Zone 3
- Soldier Field II (Chicago)
- Paul Brown Stadium (Cinncy) or Heinz Field (Pittsburgh)
- Ford Field (Detroit) yes, a dome, but hosted in 94 and lets in natural light)
- Lucas Oil Stadium (Indy)
(If the NFL Vikings get a new stadium I would likely replace Minneapolis for one of the last three)

Zone 4
- Qwest Field (Seattle)
- New San Fran 49ers stad. (San Fran) in the works.
- New SoCal NFL stadium (LA or S.D) likely either rehabbed Rose Bowl or LA Col.)
- University of Phoenix Stadium (Phoenix)
That's a very impressive list, with quite new stadiums and vast capacities.

My personal favourites are Invesco field, Qwest field, University of Phoenix Stadium and Reliant stadium.
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