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Old January 28th, 2008, 12:20 PM   #2441
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The column is suppose to tilt inward above M3-2 , that's not an illusion


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Old January 28th, 2008, 01:56 PM   #2442
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Not true. Take a look at some buildings such as 30 St Marys Axe in London where the all of the exterior columns are tilting, or the Turning Torso in Malmo. Better yet take a look at the new CCTV HQ under construction in Beijing. There is sufficient vertical support to hold up a significant load even if the columns are tilted slightly if designed properly.
Note also that much of the load bearing work is performed by the concrete core of the building in this case, and outside column are simply supports and visibly ( I don't know the design) work in coordination with the floorplates themselves.

As long as there is enough compressive and tensile strength in the materials, a building built tilted will not fall.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 03:54 PM   #2443
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Yep. That means hkskyline was right in saying that the floorplates are getting smaller.

Any new updates??
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Old January 28th, 2008, 08:41 PM   #2444
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looks like the core already topped the Empire State Building
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Old January 28th, 2008, 10:06 PM   #2445
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Any new updates??
maybe you should look one page back to see the pics which have been taken yesterday
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Old January 28th, 2008, 11:36 PM   #2446
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The column is suppose to tilt inward above M3-2 , that's not an illusion

Granted, looks like the glass does, but i do not think the concrete columns do, just the physical floorlines.
We need better closeups, that show more detail......!!
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Old January 29th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #2447
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Hey Culwulla, in you last line you state 3xmech/transfer floors. Transfer for the hotel? Any statistic on the highest habitable floor?

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yes, above ZONE H the floor plan will be similar to Jin mao bldg. the centre will be missing and will have a 60m high atrium with hotel rooms encirling it.

the highest hotel floor is lev116 or 457m.
there is a gym/pool spa on lev117 or 464m.
the roof garden/restaurant will be highest public floor at lev118 or 469m.
above this will be LMR which is whole roof top @ 474m.
above this again will be central core/LMR @ 480m.
A 10m high parapet encirles the main roof which starts on roof level @ 474m reaches the full 484m height.
btw, the width of the tower at top is 54m while bottom is 60m, thus 3m slant each side of tower.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 12:28 AM   #2448
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Thx for the details Cul. What is the truth about the columns? Are they tilting inwards or it's just an illusion?
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Old January 29th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #2449
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i cant tell from the plans i have but they look straight with 1 side slanted?
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Old January 29th, 2008, 01:54 PM   #2450
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Old January 29th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #2451
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The columns "shifted position" in the plan.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 03:26 PM   #2452
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It's floors 70-87, I think the tilting starts around floor 95. Or maybe it's an illusion.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #2453
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One more reference here

The yellow line is where the tilting start
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Old January 29th, 2008, 06:58 PM   #2454
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i think that pic clears up:

[IMG]http://i32.************/16gevr.jpg[/IMG]
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Based on the new info. it does look as if the columns tilt ever so slightly inward, on the "green" floorplan the columns have a small rectanglular area on the outside, but it's to steep to be an angular set back for one floor, i think this is actual column size reduction, (normal for columns as they get higher up and carry less load's) which is obvious on the "zone" floorplans, however they reduce in size from the back, or the core side, and the front seem to stay vertical,

Now the photograph with the "red" and "yellow" reference line(s) do seem to show a very slight lean toward the core...

It might be as Culwulla observed, and be only one wall, the wall opposite the dragon tail for instance.......!!
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Old January 30th, 2008, 03:09 AM   #2456
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100 floors of a totl of 118 ! Great record for Hong Kong !!!
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Old January 30th, 2008, 03:43 AM   #2457
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That's the first ever 100th floor for Hong Kong!!
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:12 AM   #2458
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Oh, you should tell that to the workers on OIE, they probably don't know the building is going to come down, cause of that.

a tilt of one column on the upper five floors is not the same as a bowing of the outer load-bearing columns all the way up the building like some are suggesting on ICC. So at the largest part of the bow, the columns would only be tied to the core with steel floor plates? no way those stay up.. they collapse under their own weight.. BUT.. it does depend on how they all tie together at the top... if like burj al arab, then maybe the structure has a chance.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:16 AM   #2459
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Note also that much of the load bearing work is performed by the concrete core of the building in this case, and outside column are simply supports and visibly ( I don't know the design) work in coordination with the floorplates themselves.

As long as there is enough compressive and tensile strength in the materials, a building built tilted will not fall.
those columns must be loadbearing... otherwise, they wouldn't be so massive or they wouldn't exist at all ( see recent photos of 300 N LaSalle in Chicago).
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:21 AM   #2460
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Not true. Take a look at some buildings such as 30 St Marys Axe in London where the all of the exterior columns are tilting, or the Turning Torso in Malmo. Better yet take a look at the new CCTV HQ under construction in Beijing. There is sufficient vertical support to hold up a significant load even if the columns are tilted slightly if designed properly.
or burj al arab.... I understand.. but this is a pure vertical building.. almost 500 meters tall.. it was not designed to 'tilt'.. ( sway maybe ). unless those concrete columns tie together somehow at the top, there is no way they could be even slightly bowed. those columns are out there naked.. tied to the core with steel floor trusses...
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