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Old February 1st, 2008, 10:23 AM   #2481
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of course I agree the core carries load... but surely those concrete columns do too... otherwise it would be built like 300 N LaSalle.. also, I don't remember 2ifc having concrete columns... I would guess it's because of the floorplate size in ICC.
Less to do with floorplate size, and more to do with the height, its obvious that these columns are carrying all vertical loads, along with the core, there is no evidence of large load transfer systems, (like for instance, mechanical floors with belt trusses, and i've looked over the photos carefully and did not spot any outrigger trusses from core to perimeter columns either) i believe this system is as main-framer said, the same type as the WTC system.

However i would also argree that the core carrys more loads than the columns do, becouse the core in this tower is huge, the WTC had much more distance between the core and outer walls (65 feet) which is why composite trusses were used, as steel "I" beams would have to be too long and too large to be economical, and subject to too much distortion and camber at such lengths, plus the "lightweight" trusses allowed mechanicals to run "through" them, saving and lowering floor to ceiling heights, all said, the WTC structural system was economical and robust, but not quite enough for what happened to them, (the fact that they both stood for almost an hour after impact is testemony to there strength) this tower is simply a stronger version of the same system.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 02:04 PM   #2482
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Just for truth's sake, IFC did have perimeter columns - very big ones at that. Two on each side if remember correctly.

I have a photo from gakei.com that shows them but I can't attach it.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 03:05 PM   #2483
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Old February 1st, 2008, 04:16 PM   #2484
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Old February 1st, 2008, 09:56 PM   #2485
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Wow, I had no idea they had already opened a restaurant in Union Square. Very cool, and fast.

Though I must say that menu looks pretty strange. Pigeon?
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Old February 1st, 2008, 11:00 PM   #2486
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Pigeon is served in many places in HK
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Old February 1st, 2008, 11:04 PM   #2487
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Interesting. It seems like a Euro/Lebanese fusion menu. I don't think ther are many Arab restaurants in Hong Kong despite the internationalism of the city. I like the mosaic ceiling.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 12:15 AM   #2488
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Wow, I had no idea they had already opened a restaurant in Union Square. Very cool, and fast.

Though I must say that menu looks pretty strange. Pigeon?

Actually there are already more than 36 restaurants in business:
http://www.elementshk.com/eng/shopping/search.htm
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:39 AM   #2489
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In HK I'm sure there are a few middle eastern themed restaurants. The variety is just amazing.

How expensive is that restaurant there? It looks prohibitively expensive.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 06:44 AM   #2490
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For some reason I never go eat expensive in HK.

The most I've ever spent on a meal was around HK 600 I think, 30 dollar meals at a fast food place is a much better deal
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 01:41 PM   #2491
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Interesting. It seems like a Euro/Lebanese fusion menu. I don't think ther are many Arab restaurants in Hong Kong despite the internationalism of the city. I like the mosaic ceiling.
There are plenty in Soho and LKF alone.

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For some reason I never go eat expensive in HK.

The most I've ever spent on a meal was around HK 600 I think, 30 dollar meals at a fast food place is a much better deal
Depends on the occassion naturally.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:10 PM   #2492
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^ I never noticed them in LKF or SoHo. I dare say there are is the odd one but "plenty" sounds like an exaggeration. The percentage of total restaurants in HK that are Arab/Lebanese must be extremely low.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:23 PM   #2493
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^ I never noticed them in LKF or SoHo. I dare say there are is the odd one but "plenty" sounds like an exaggeration. The percentage of total restaurants in HK that are Arab/Lebanese must be extremely low.
Beirut, Habibi/Habibi Café for starters. There was a lovely Lebanese place in Wan Chai, forgot the name and not sure if it still exists anymore.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:35 PM   #2494
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So two, possibly three, right?

Anyway we digress. This thread is about the stonkingly tall 484m beauty under construction on the other side of the Harbour.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:40 PM   #2495
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So two, possibly three, right?
There's more. At least another 10. Zahra's, Beyrouth, Ali Baba...

Habibi and Habibi Café serve different food anyway, so that's three :p

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Old February 2nd, 2008, 06:39 PM   #2496
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Elements is a high-end mall to begin with. I doubt there will be cheap street food in there.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 08:46 PM   #2497
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 01:12 AM   #2498
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Everything is free!!!
No, it's most likely because the restaurant wants to convey opulence; they don't post prices on the menu probably because most customers who eat there are not concerned about the price that they pay, i.e. they are too rich to be worried about calculating the total amount they have to cough up. In other words, the restaurant is trying to match its outward appearance to the type of people that eat there (notice the wine recommendations too).
Enough digression though...
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 03:02 AM   #2499
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I love this building. Sure, it's a box... but I guess I love boxes.

I've eaten at a few restaurants without prices. While the food was good, I'm quite certain that it wasn't worth whatever the price actually was. But since my well to do uncle paid the bill I can't really complain.
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Everything is free!!!
No, it's most likely because the restaurant wants to convey opulence; they don't post prices on the menu probably because most customers who eat there are not concerned about the price that they pay, i.e. they are too rich to be worried about calculating the total amount they have to cough up. In other words, the restaurant is trying to match its outward appearance to the type of people that eat there (notice the wine recommendations too).
Enough digression though...
Well, wine choice is not that great
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