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Old February 5th, 2007, 11:31 PM   #261
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you think that's insane that's nothing compared to Dubai. that's all i'm going to say cuz i dont want to hear it from anyone saying leave dubai out of this.
Hey Mega, Leave Dubai out of this!!!!
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Old February 6th, 2007, 06:08 AM   #262
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excellent pics, nice to see finally the square design


btw, what is level number of the level with green cover?
http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007...ano)01-800.jpg
ive found that the numbering of levels for ICC is a guessing game. Im pretty sure they leave out every floor with 4 in it.
there are 4 podium levels,then 4 more levels at concourse level, then 2 plant levels, thus the first "typical office floor is lev11., so the green covered floor=16 above grd.the steel floors are at 31st with core at 41st. BUT as you can see they have labled 51st.
if no4 is badluck superstition?
if they remove levels 4/14/24/34/44/54/64/74/84/94/104/114.
then instead of 118 floors above grd, i think its actually going to be 12 less at 106? i could be wrong.
can anyone sort all this mess out.?
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Old February 6th, 2007, 06:27 AM   #263
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this is what i can come up with thus far
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Old February 6th, 2007, 11:49 PM   #264
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How is the floor area of the ICC compared to BD?
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:01 AM   #265
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ive found that the numbering of levels for ICC is a guessing game. Im pretty sure they leave out every floor with 4 in it.
there are 4 podium levels,then 4 more levels at concourse level, then 2 plant levels, thus the first "typical office floor is lev11., so the green covered floor=16 above grd.the steel floors are at 31st with core at 41st. BUT as you can see they have labled 51st.
if no4 is badluck superstition?
if they remove levels 4/14/24/34/44/54/64/74/84/94/104/114.
then instead of 118 floors above grd, i think its actually going to be 12 less at 106? i could be wrong.
can anyone sort all this mess out.?
Culwulla, this is indeed a huge mess, since different people build their buildings very differently. Besides the scheme you mentioned, some also omit floor 13 (for westerners reasons) some dont omit any, while some many omit 4, 14, 24, 34, but not necessarily 44, 54, 64, etc. (this is because 4 sounds like die, 14 sounds like will definitely die, 24 sounds like easy to die, 34 sounds like live or die, but 44 doesn't sound like anything, 54, sounds like won't die (or not die), and the others are not very taboo either (afaik)
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:09 AM   #266
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I love it cant wait to see it done.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:09 AM   #267
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^thanks.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 06:20 AM   #268
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Still at level 51 ??? It runs somewhat slow although its doing well and i like this supertall as much as the other supertalls UC.....!
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Old February 7th, 2007, 07:04 AM   #269
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^yes in last two months it gre just 30m/8fl in height, compared to Burj Dubai which grew 70m/20fl.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #270
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How is the floor area of the ICC compared to BD?
ICC:
Office space-- 2.5 million sq ft(gross floor area)
Hotel--?? (1 million sq ft (gross floor area)together with the hotel area on US6 south tower)
Total gross floor area of ICC=3.2 million sq ft (Source:KPF)
Total gross floor area of the whole complex(ICC+US6)=4.5 million sq ft (Source:SHKP).

Burj Dubai --3.7 million sq. ft(Source:Wikipedia)

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Old February 7th, 2007, 03:21 PM   #271
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maybe thats why it isnt growing as fast as burj dubai? the burj is allready very very slender.. I am no engineer and i dont know if that really is a good explanation though..
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Old February 7th, 2007, 03:24 PM   #272
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i know one thing, ive never seen a larger core then ICCs. massive
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Old February 7th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #273
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the core of SWFC is also not small, but not as big as from ICC
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Old February 8th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #274
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ICC:
Office space-- 2.5 million sq ft(gross floor area)
Hotel--?? (1 million sq ft (gross floor area)together with the hotel area on US6 south tower)
Total gross floor area of ICC=3.2 million sq ft (Source:KPF)
Total gross floor area of the whole complex(ICC+US6)=4.5 million sq ft (Source:SHKP).

Burj Dubai --3.7 million sq. ft(Source:Wikipedia)
very interesting! I didn't know that BD is only .5 more than ICC!? thaz incredible
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maybe thats why it isnt growing as fast as burj dubai? the burj is allready very very slender.. I am no engineer and i dont know if that really is a good explanation though..
That's why I asked

I figured that BD, tall as it may be, have a LOT of the floor area around the podium thing (the bottom levels on renders) and tapers off really quickly, so I figured ICC has a more uniform floor area throughout its height, so maybe that's why it takes so long, and when finished, even though it might only be 2/3 the height of BD, will have a better area ratio.
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BTW, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that if you have a tiny area compared to a big huge one, it'll probably be smaller! (barring any aesthetics and utility space)

I think the ICC will be magnificent, independent of any other projects in the world (reference to the massive core)
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BTW, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that if you have a tiny area compared to a big huge one, it'll probably be smaller! (barring any aesthetics and utility space)

I think the ICC will be magnificent, independent of any other projects in the world (reference to the massive core)
Sure, i was more thinking of the size of each floor, affecting the construction speed. Obviously it makes much more sense to build each floor as large as possible, since you can use elevators etc. more effectively, compared to how much space is lettable/sellable. So in an economical point of view "fat" scrapers always win...

Yeah i think ICC is going to be an instant classic!
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Well there comes a point when evacuation and air conditioning/utilities becomes a problem. Mostly evacuation. Of course in terms of floor area / foot print ratio I agree completely with you. But then again, BD is really well done and aesthetically its tops!
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Old February 9th, 2007, 01:39 AM   #279
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I don't know why people are so obsessed with the construction speed of this building. It's not as it's stagnant. It makes good progress month on month and it's obviously gonna get there within about a year so what's the fuss?
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^ if you checked the forum day after day, you would understand the fuss that the forumers create.
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