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Old November 29th, 2006, 08:47 PM   #221
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Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:

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Old November 29th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #222
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BenL was not talking about who has the most or the biggest, he was talking about the style. And I agree with him that the Tour Signal sets on uniqueness and originality, as for instance the Gherkin, rather than on the American square box model. The problem of skyscrapers in Paris and particularly LD until recently has been that none of them were really outstanding. No surprise maybe with the competition of the Eiffel Tower, but the current recladding of some of the towers and an iconic Tour Signal will completely modify LD.
That's only partly true. Here are a few pictures of current skyscrapers in LD. Many people believe so because they type "Paris" in the search engine of Skyscraperpage diagram, but LD isn't located in the city of Paris, hence you can't find Paris skyscrapers this way. Here is the actual SSP diagram from Paris including LD :

Paris IDF - Skyscraperpage diagram




Societe Generale Twins - 167 m





CBX Tower - 142 m





Total Tower - 187 m





EDF Tower - 165 m


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Old November 29th, 2006, 08:53 PM   #223
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Actually, I was hesitating so I didn't count you among the British nor the non-British... In fact, I didn't took your appreciation into account, Jef.
I find it very interesting in it's uniqueness and ugliness. So, am I among supporters?

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Old November 29th, 2006, 08:58 PM   #224
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Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:

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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:01 PM   #225
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Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:

Well there is at least one good point in all of this... the publicity.
Rarely have I seen so many high quality renders come out at once, even for the freedom tower I don't think they had so many renders from so many different angles
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:06 PM   #226
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rien...

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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:09 PM   #227
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I find it very interesting in it's uniqueness and ugliness. So, am I among supporters?
You're among those saying something a bit more interesting than "It's beautiful" or "It's ugly"...

PS: Why did you remove "Very childish."?
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:12 PM   #228
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No franco French feud allowed here guys please!
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:22 PM   #229
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That's only partly true. Here are a few pictures of current skyscrapers in LD. Many people believe so because they type "Paris" in the search engine of Skyscraperpage diagram, but LD isn't located in the city of Paris,

hmmm...you seem to assume that people here know the type of towers that the Paris area boast only by doing a search on skyscraperpage diagram...

either you're naive or you're very very uninformed...

i think most people here know well about skyscrapers ans are very educated on this topic...just by the numbers of threads about la defense on SSC with photos etc, make it very easy to know about what La defense towers look like...

Me , as an exemple, i never visited the diagram section of any city....that's not the way i find out about cities...

methink you take things too seriously Metropolitan...just relax,
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:26 PM   #230
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methink you take things too seriously Metropolitan...just relax,
Yeah you're probably right. Especially that La Defense has a good amount of boxy buildings too, especially among older ones.
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #231
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Unique and cool.
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Old November 29th, 2006, 09:32 PM   #232
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I wouldn't say it's beautiful, but surely it is fascinating... Count me as a supporter

(I'm not British )
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Old November 29th, 2006, 10:11 PM   #233
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You're among those saying something a bit more interesting than "It's beautiful" or "It's ugly"...

PS: Why did you remove "Very childish."?
Because I think it is, but it is not worth mentioning.

I'm trying to formalize my opinion on this project. It is quite difficult, the most difficult case since Swiss Re as far as I'm concerned.

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Old November 29th, 2006, 10:28 PM   #234
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i can't make up my mind...its so different etc but then its so ugly, i think to me it's like marmite, sometimes i either love it or on another day i hate it... which is wiered because normally people are either one and not the other! like in this case.

I do know that i would not want it in london. (can anyone see it fitting in the city?) and i have said this before but i think this type of architecture does not fit in with Paris so i'm going to say 'no,' i'm not a fan of this one

ps i am british
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Old November 29th, 2006, 10:42 PM   #235
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I'm Polish. And my vote is a clearly a NO. Tour EDF and Tours Societe Generale deserve a better neighbour

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Old November 29th, 2006, 10:56 PM   #236
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Do not say "ugly" or "beautiful", it does not mean anything, it's so relative. Ugly or beautiful, two words representative of a personnal taste. Anybody can discuss it and it does not matter.

Speak about meanings, senses, roles of this architecture and then you could appreciate it or not. This can't be judge only with a simple look on a rendering.

This "non-tower" (as I want to define it) is much more significant as any other projects in Europe. It is not a tower hosting only offices but meanings. It has a role, we present it as a model, as a monument, as something we never did before. Try to understand first.
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Old November 29th, 2006, 11:20 PM   #237
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Do not say "ugly" or "beautiful", it does not mean anything, it's so relative. Ugly or beautiful, two words representative of a personnal taste. Anybody can discuss it and it does not matter.

Speak about meanings, senses, roles of this architecture and then you could appreciate it or not. This can't be judge only with a simple look on a rendering.

This "non-tower" (as I want to define it) is much more significant as any other projects in Europe. It is not a tower hosting only offices but meanings. It has a role, we present it as a model, as a monument, as something we never did before. Try to understand first.
I agree on most points JP.

But, the aesthetic of the building, the thing that produce such sharp reactions cannot be dealt with by saying that it is a matter of taste.
LBT was found "beautiful" almost unanimously. I'm not comparing directly the two as some differences are quite obvious, but what I mean is that :
- this one is not intented to be an instant pleaser,
- this one is a more risk taking exercice.
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Old November 29th, 2006, 11:35 PM   #238
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It's hard not to say "it's ugly" when it is indeed

Well, it;s not thah bad, but doesn't fit to La defense in my opinion.
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A further close-up:



..and what it will look like from the south east:

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Old November 29th, 2006, 11:44 PM   #240
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LBT plays with our traditional representation. Something high has been always seen as a pyramidal structure(pyramides, ziggurats, bell towers roofs). So it was easy to join every mind in a unanimous enthusiasm. I agree with you if you remember me Generali and its top, pyramidal top... and its nearly unanimous deception, but for that one, the top is too complicated and not so pure as LBT. LBT is close to Millenium Tower by Foster and close to many vision and historical vision of what a tower should be.

In the Mayne's tower case, we have nothing to compare and it remembers us anything we could saw before. we have no mark, and that "monument" must play a landmark roles... that's the point.
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