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Old November 29th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #241
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Any nickname yet?
The bulb?
The fat lady exhibiting it?s right steel frame leg to shock and not to please ?
The outrageous curvilinear marmite?
The standing top of the range potato?
The Mixed bean?
The liquifying pot pourri?

......not a skyscraper, not a monument either (or yet).

I dont think I can intellectualize already on such a project, but it seems, that proportions, shapes and textures are uncommon and the assemblage is also unique.
Follower of 30 St Mary Axe and other tall buildings worldwide, this amorphous organic and deconstructivist high rise does get the attention of most of us and yet, some of us find it ugly.

I applaude the risk taken by La Defense and Paris, something that was not very common place recently but I regret that it is ending with an object looking like a vertical guggenheim.

The monument status, if any, will not rely on its aesthetic but on the will of the people's representations.

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Old November 29th, 2006, 11:52 PM   #242
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It will look ridiculous from the south east.

Btw. Are people more tolerant towards skyscrapers in France than in the UK?
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:04 AM   #243
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I like it!!
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:06 AM   #244
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It will look ridiculous from the south east.

Btw. Are people more tolerant towards skyscrapers in France than in the UK?
No, that's another point which make me very concerned.
People in France tend to resent even more high rise buildings than brits.

Is this bad or good for the high rise building image?

- If not considered a tower, how can it make other tower proposals more acceptable?
- Can this be the shocking high rise that will change people's perceptions?
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:12 AM   #245
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not a monument either... read and listen...

few exemple...
"cet immeuble monumental" AFP
"Cette tour monumentale de 300 m?tres de haut," EPAD
"ce projet hautement symbolique" UNIBAIL
"un symbole d’optimisme et de progr?s" morphosis

Have you read such thing for Generali? I don't make personnaly this tower a monument. But you've to admit we match a particular meaning with this architecture, this tower. The program asked to build a "phare"...

Have you ever read something about generali be compared with Eiffel Tower?
Look at the news on TV, and watch that we are looking for an Eiffel rivals with Morphosis tower...

It's anecdotical things, but sum it and it will be not so...
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:15 AM   #246
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and the boss of unibail nickname the tower the "pregnant lady"...
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:17 AM   #247
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[et moi j'avais ajoute qu'il ne faudrait pas se trouver sous elle quand elle perdra ses eaux]
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:22 AM   #248
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:24 AM   #249
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not a monument either... read and listen...

few exemple...
"cet immeuble monumental" AFP
"Cette tour monumentale de 300 m?tres de haut," EPAD
"ce projet hautement symbolique" UNIBAIL
"un symbole d?optimisme et de progr?s" morphosis

Have you read such thing for Generali? I don't make personnaly this tower a monument. But you've to admit we match a particular meaning with this architecture, this tower. The program asked to build a "phare"...

Have you ever read something about generali be compared with Eiffel Tower?
Look at the news on TV, and watch that we are looking for an Eiffel rivals with Morphosis tower...

It's anecdotical things, but sum it and it will be not so...

Around the world, the "landmark" tower is the norm! this is not unique to Paris. London, NY, and every metropolis in the advanced world is building or intend to build one or several landmark buildings!
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:25 AM   #250
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:25 AM   #251
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Have you ever read something about generali be compared with Eiffel Tower?
Look at the news on TV, and watch that we are looking for an Eiffel rivals with Morphosis tower...
exactly, it's all because the media decided to pay attention to it. They would have done the same thing to any other tower that would have won the Phare competition, it's all good PR from EPAD.
And they've decided to brainwash the people with this monstrosity and make them think that it's beautiful and original and interesting and something to be proud of, while the whole world is watching in disgust.
Once they manage to get the Parisians to think of it as part of their city, they'll defend it with tooth and nail, even though deep down they know it's nothing more than a big piece of molten poo.

But it seems to me like they are trying to avoid talking about Generali, also I am worried that EPAD will force Generali to downsize their tower, because I think it will look more imposing, higher, and eventually be a real signal for LD, and they're probably jealous they couldn't do it, even with all the marketing stint they're trying to pull off
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:27 AM   #252
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Even if Brits said they don't like the tower , they're making renders in The City ...
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Strange isn't it ? xD
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:28 AM   #253
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lmao, true, it seems that deep down they wonder "what if"... and to be honest, it looks even worse in the City, or perhaps it's because he's made it too big, it looks like 400m tall, while it should barely touch the 300 meters, even with the nipple hairs sticking out
London is lucky to have the Shard and Bishopgate
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:30 AM   #254
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@3tmk: Keep your architectural standards for third class American cities please If that tower in Nashville, TN you mentioned earlier is your turn-on, well I understand why you seem to just loathe this new tower in Paris.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:31 AM   #255
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exactly, it's all because the media decided to pay attention to it. They would have done the same thing to any other tower that would have won the Phare competition, it's all good PR from EPAD.
And they've decided to brainwash the people with this monstrosity and make them think that it's beautiful and original and interesting and something to be proud of, while the whole world is watching in disgust.
Once they manage to get the Parisians to think of it as part of their city, they'll defend it with tooth and nail, even though deep down they know it's nothing more than a big piece of molten poo.

But it seems to me like they are trying to avoid talking about Generali, also I am worried that EPAD will force Generali to downsize their tower, because I think it will look more imposing, higher, and eventually be a real signal for LD, and they're probably jealous they couldn't do it, even with all the marketing stint they're trying to pull off
The landmark "PR thing" is common, both for high and low rise buildings.
I accept that it is a bit new for tall buildings in France, but it is widely used elsewhere. (most of the times the PR fail because it was exagerated, but for some cases, like this one or bold buildings like Swiss Re and the Shard).

@Densaga
I would have thought it wouldn't fit at all in the City...but it is not that "out of context"...not very graceful but interesting...the context doesnt seem to matter to this object.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:32 AM   #256
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I made those renderings to further emphasise how utterly hideous this tower is.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:34 AM   #257
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not again pleaaaaaaaassse. As a moderator you should NOT behave this way.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:34 AM   #258
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And they've decided to brainwash the people with this monstrosity and make them think that it's beautiful and original and interesting and something to be proud of, while the whole world is watching in disgust.
Actually a large majority of non-French and non-Anglo-Saxon forumers think this tower is great, so it looks like the world is watching in awe, not in disgust.
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #259
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Lol , and what about your walkie talkie ?
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Old November 30th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #260
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wjfox2002 if you don't like the building why do you test it impact on your favourit skyline
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