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Old December 6th, 2006, 04:39 PM   #461
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True. I just want to emphasize what you have already said, which is that the changes should remain minor.

The building will remain the same, over all. Otherwise, there's no point in organizing a contest to determine a winning design.
Look what happened to the Freedom Tower in New York though.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 05:28 PM   #462
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Look what happened to the Freedom Tower in New York though.
I think it's a little far-fetched to compare the two.
The problem with the FT is that everybody wanted a piece of it, everybody wanted to get their way done, that's why at one point they hired Childs to watch over Liebeskind, until eventually they threw Liebeskind out.

My point is, unless if the City of Paris all of a sudden manages to get a powerful decision making position within the EPAD and decides to use their power to veto the tower, or they find some huge security threat, I doubt any radical changes would be made.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 05:34 PM   #463
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The City of Paris has NOTHING to do with what happens in La Défense.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM   #464
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such a cool design!
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Old December 6th, 2006, 06:24 PM   #465
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^exactly, that is why I said IF they managed to find a way to get to a position within EPAD, then they could influence the project, otherwise there is little the city can do, unless if it they decide to go to the highest state authority, then I have no idea what the government could do
But still, from what I understand the city isn't as opposed to the design as it is to the fact that they are building it, what they want is stop the whole project
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Old December 6th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #466
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That's more than a big "IF" 3tmk. The mayor of Paris has absolutely everything to lose in trying to cancel a project which isn't on its administrative territory.

And as you mentioned, it's not the design which he doesn't like, but actually the very fact that La Défense is becoming a threatening competitor to the City. However he has absolutely no power on this.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 10:03 PM   #467
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Posted earlier today on EPAD's Website :

"Pour le moment, seul le projet architectural a été retenu.
Tout reste à faire pour mettre en place ce projet et construire cette tour."

My rough translation:
"For now, only the architectural project has been chosen.
Everything remains to be done to set up this project and to build this tower"
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Old December 7th, 2006, 12:27 AM   #468
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I don't want to add anything else, except that I like this architecture too. Its curbs remind me of those we can find on Chrysler Building. It is very sensual, actually. Very personnal feeling.

The best render would be in 3D, so that we can see the real impact of this tower on La Defense's skyline.
That you would actually compare this 'building' in any way to the Chrysler Building would get you killed in New York!! (just joking of course!)
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:16 PM   #469
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The Generali tower was also announced at 300 meters and now that we've seen more official sketch of the tower from architects, it appears it will actually be 318 meters. As such, we have absolutely no idea about the actual height of the Morphosis tower. The 300 meters which are announced in the title of this thread are only indicative, but the tower will most likely be slightly taller.
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Old December 9th, 2006, 11:21 AM   #470
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Posted earlier today on EPAD's Website :

"Pour le moment, seul le projet architectural a été retenu.
Tout reste à faire pour mettre en place ce projet et construire cette tour."

My rough translation:
"For now, only the architectural project has been chosen.
Everything remains to be done to set up this project and to build this tower"
Which means Cyril?
No financial backing yet?
The final design will change radically????
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Old December 9th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #471
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It means that the situation is the same as usual when the design is revealed.
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Old December 9th, 2006, 12:07 PM   #472
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Which means Cyril?
No financial backing yet?
The final design will change radically????
Unibail are powerful and have "les reins solides". Let's hope the global cost won't rise too much though for it could seriously alter the current design.
And I think that the tower height will be slightly increased so as to be the tallest "Phare/beacon" of the neighborhood (namely taller than Generali tower).
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Old December 9th, 2006, 05:19 PM   #473
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And I think that the tower height will be slightly increased so as to be the tallest "Phare/beacon" of the neighborhood (namely taller than Generali tower).
You think so? I have doubts. In any case, if these approx. 300 meters indicated so far do not include the hair on top, then the tour Phare will be easily taller than Generali once the hair and the street to slab height are included. If the approx. 300 metres already include the hair, then Generali is taller, and I doubt they would increase the height of the tour Phare just to beat Generali by a few meters. But then again who knows...
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Old December 9th, 2006, 06:03 PM   #474
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I'm very open to accept the design
for me it's very MODERN trancending..
for those who hate the tops and insult the pics..
comon grow-up guys!!.. the concept was to
introduce new forms like this they have
come up and PRODUCE an organic form
which is unique in it's SHAPE.. the top dosn't bother me at all because
bu understanding what the concept was at the first place make me say that it coordinates well with it's form no repetions and no symmetry just organic/freeform
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Old December 10th, 2006, 07:43 AM   #475
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The bottom looks cool....

...but the top part is ugly.

It looks like it has hair on top of it.

So the awesome lower portion gets cancelled out by the hideous looking top portion.

In the end, it's just an average tower to me.
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Old December 11th, 2006, 03:35 AM   #476
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I will say this; I don't care for the renderings as they don't look very realistic. The shape of the building is interesting, but I can't make a final judgement on it until I see how its glass facade reflects its surroundings.

Also, the crown should be changed. I really don't like that part of it. It is chaotic, without purpose. Part of the bottom seems chaotic as well, but I'm sure it has purpose since it appears to be the foyer area.
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Old December 11th, 2006, 04:57 PM   #477
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Oh la la!
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Old December 12th, 2006, 03:59 AM   #478
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Where are they heading to with all these crazy, mother ugly buildings. Paris has jumped on the Mad Dubai Wagon.
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Old December 12th, 2006, 02:59 PM   #479
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The tower is in top10 of most sent picture of Yahoo! India. Of course it's only 10 messages, but it has to be noticed for a country of 1.1 billion people, you don't agree ?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/mostmail/new/most.html
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Old December 15th, 2006, 06:50 PM   #480
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The best English-speaking article about the tour signal (aka tour Phare) so far. It was discovered by Brunob. The article confirms that the tower will be 300m high from the concrete slab ("the plaza" as they call it), which means that the tower will be between 310m and 320m high from street level. It will probably be only a matter of meters between the Generali Tower and the tour Phare to get the title of tallest western European skyscraper.

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Morphosis Creates a Guiding Light for La Défense

Architectural Record, NYC
December 13, 2006




Photography © Unibail-Morphosis

On November 24, Morphosis, with Thom Mayne, was chosen in a competition to design the “Phare,” or Beacon Tower, in La Défense, an area of office towers west of Paris.

Unibail, developer of the tower in partnership with EPAD, the public body for area development, calls the Morphosis project a symbol of “rupture” with the past. To be completed in 2012, it marks the first stage in the renaissance of La Défense.

Located between the Grande Arche and the 1958 exhibition hall CNIT, Morphosis’s 68-story, $1.1 billion project seems to grow organically from the site. An undulating double skin on the southern elevation comprises a layer of glass over steel panels that have been perforated to appear transparent while limiting heat gain. The flatter northern facade is clear-glazed. At the base, a flap opens in the building’s skin like a slit skirt, exposing office floors around a 197-foot-high lobby that opens the building to the public and the adjacent mass transit station, creating what Mayne describes as a “vertical piazza.”

The design features several eco-friendly characteristics in addition to southern shading. The tower rises 984 feet above the plaza to a ragged top edge of steel, constituting what the architects call a “wind farm,” which will provide some electricity to the fans in the building’s natural ventilation system.

Also to be built in La Défense is the 50-story Generali by French architects Valode et Pistre, who have put giant wind turbines and an army of solar panels on top of their tower to help generate electricity and hot water.

Jean Nouvel, one of the 10 architects in the competition that included Rem Koolhaas and Norman Foster, had already designed a tower for the Phare—also known as Tour Signal—site in 1989; his cylindrical “Tour Sans Fin” was never built.

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