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Old April 7th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #561
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Pardon his English, they are not windmills but wind turbines.

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Windmills c'est des moulins.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 10:00 PM   #562
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Ah !!! sorry !!!
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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #563
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SUPER building of Future!!
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Old April 8th, 2007, 09:27 PM   #564
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The base looks good, but oh man! what an ugly thing..
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Old April 10th, 2007, 03:55 AM   #565
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This building has a very interesting shape and as said already, very organic looking. Kind of reminds me of buildings you see in some sci-fi films where buildings look like they've grown out of the ground rather than being constructed. I think the top of it needs a rethink, not keen on that at all. But, the base is fantastic. Can't wait to have a walk round that.

I don't think anyone would argue against saying that Paris is a beautiful city, but the flip side of this is the city is like one great big museum piece. This building will change that. Although the French have never been keen on change, I think they will have something to be proud of here and will be proud to show this off to the world.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 11:14 AM   #566
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La Defense is not "strictly" included in the historical Paris (intra muros).
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Old April 10th, 2007, 11:38 AM   #567
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The center of Paris is historical about 20 km2 with few modern buildings but the rest is a mix of old and modern buildings.
Some districts are more modern than la Defense : Bercy, Paris rive gauche, Quai Andres Citroen ...
Actually those districts are located in Paris intra muros.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #568
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The historic center of Paris could use some renovation and some awful building could be replaced, but overall it'll be hard to make it evolve without making it ugly (the next Citroen building in the champs élysées is an example of successful evolution IMO, while the Opera Bastille isn't). That the suburban areas, like LD, build skyscrapers is great though and this should keep going this way. I for sure don't want historic Paris to be ravaged by some architect trying to be original, this Phare Tower is perfect in LD but in Montmartre it would be disastrous. I don't agree with people saying a city should reinvent itself just for the sake of changing things. Evolving in continuity, now that's it.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 04:11 PM   #569
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At the same time, nothing is eternal Matthieu. A thousand years from now, 90% of Haussmannian Paris will have disappeared, because buildings can't last for ever. It's absurd to imagine that we should (or could) preserve things unchanged for ever. Even the pyramids of Egypt will disappear some day.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 04:24 PM   #570
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the French have never been keen on change
Yeah, it might explain that we had so few revolutions during our history.


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the flip side of this is the city is like one great big museum piece. This building will change that.
Yeah, sure, because nothing new since the 19th century had been built in Paris until this new skyscraper...
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Old April 10th, 2007, 04:34 PM   #571
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... The day when pyramids disappear, Paris would be underwater and London too, only fishes could compare both...

There is nothing absurd preserving. It's our way of thinking and planning the city and it is shared by most of european city. So why are you thinking it's absurd? The excess is, but a moderate preservation is not.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #572
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The excess is, but a moderate preservation is not.
That was exactly my point.
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Old April 10th, 2007, 04:57 PM   #573
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At the same time, nothing is eternal Matthieu. A thousand years from now, 90% of Haussmannian Paris will have disappeared, because buildings can't last for ever. It's absurd to imagine that we should (or could) preserve things unchanged for ever. Even the pyramids of Egypt will disappear some day.
Change just for the sake of changing is absurd, something new is not automaticaly better and not all evolutions are good. Preserving ancient architecture is a way to acknowledge our history, destroying it, in the same way, is destroying our history, our memory.

A city is a living entity, it is not a museum, but it is not a factory where everything has to be "modernised" all the time to be more efficient.

With this kind of reasoning, you end up with cities like Moscow or more recently Shanghai who's character have been erased for "modernity".
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Shanghai who's character have been erased for "modernity".
Do you really think Shanghai's character was eradicated for the sake of modernity. I very much doubt so. If anything, Shanghai's character has only been enhanced by modernity. Shanghai was never a historic city, and the Bund buildings built in the 1920s and 1930s have not been destroyed. You'd have a more valid point with Beijing. Anyway, we're way off topic, so back to tour Phare.
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Old April 21st, 2007, 04:11 PM   #575
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 02:57 PM   #576
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thats exactly what I thought too.

going to be an interesting thing...
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Old April 24th, 2007, 01:41 AM   #577
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Wow, that's different.
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Old April 24th, 2007, 09:02 AM   #578
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the rendering looked like a collapsed building..
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Old April 24th, 2007, 12:39 PM   #579
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That looks just from oota space!!!!!
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Old April 24th, 2007, 07:30 PM   #580
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LOL... considering Paris is supposed to be one of the architectural capitals of the world, they build some seriously fugly buildings sometimes. But hey, if that's how they like it, then that's their right. At least nobody can claim that they are unoriginal!
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