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Old November 27th, 2006, 06:40 PM   #41
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Oh my God, what the hell is that?
Exactly what I thought.

Perhaps it's because I had higher expectations on the quality of the building, of the architect and of the height
perhaps it's because this seems like an amalgamation of different London projects
or perhaps it's because I dislike those buttugly "organic" towers that go over the top with idiotic measures.

I can't believe I'll say this but I'm glad that Generali will hide part of this tower, it's better that it isn't seen
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great tower, very futuristic!
great news for La Defense
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Old November 27th, 2006, 06:52 PM   #43
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I can't believe I'll say this but I'm glad that Generali will hide part of this tower, it's better that it isn't seen
Well imo I'd prefer this Morphosis tower would conceal low quality Tour Generali
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Old November 27th, 2006, 06:52 PM   #44
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Old November 27th, 2006, 06:55 PM   #45
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Render from Unibail's official render :


I extracted it from the PDF file..
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may i know the link to the PDF file? also , who are the other competitors?
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Old November 27th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #46
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Wow, well it isn't bad. Not too sure yet. I think I prefer my scrapers to be glassier (if thats a word)

And it's only 300m, I recall having bullish people screaming at me saying it was going to be 800m...or is this another La Defense project which has yet to be released?
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:05 PM   #47
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I believe that in 20 years, everybody will like it!

It's really futuristic. I guess it will be just like the Eiffel tower and the Grande Arche, some people need time to accept and appreciate buildings which are completely ahead of their time...

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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:08 PM   #48
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Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:18 PM   #49
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At least this tower makes react. For the architect it's a cabinet of California Morphosis which has some achievements all over the world. I cannot be as categorical especially as each face of the tower will be different but for the moment the standard of quality are on the levels of the other skyscrapers!
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:20 PM   #50
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Looks like a headless chicken. I dont like it really. And its not because its in France... its because its shit. The design is not really inspirational. I mean, you could get more inspiration from an iceberg.

I second what Jack Rabbit Slim says.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:31 PM   #51
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:32 PM   #52
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Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!
Your comment is strikingly similar to the comments of those who opposed the Eiffel Tower back 120 years ago, especially your ranting about "embarassment" for France.

This is what people wrote in Le Temps, then the most serious French newspaper, when the first renders of the Eiffel Tower were released in 1887:

"We come [...] to protest in the strongest manner, with all our indignation, in the name of the underrated French taste, in the name of the threatened French art and history, against the construction, in the very heart of our capital city, of the useless and monstruous Eiffel Tower [...]."

"Is the City of Paris going to associate itself with the bizarre and mercantile imagination of a machine builder and ruin irreparably its beauty and bring disgrace on itself? Disgrace, yes, for the Eiffel Tower, which even the mercantile United States would not accept on their soil, is a disgrace to Paris."

"When visitors come to visit [Paris], they will exclaim with disbelief: "What! That's the hideous thing the French have found to give us an idea of their oh-so-praised taste?" They would be right to deride us [...]."

Personally, I can't say that I like it (neither can I say that I dislike it), but what I know is that French people usually have flair for architecture, so I'd say go for it!, and then let's judge it in 20 years or so.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:34 PM   #53
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I think it looks cheap, but as there are no realistic renders it´s hard to tell what it´s truly going to look like.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:34 PM   #54
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Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!
I was going to keep quiet, because I didn't want to upset the Parisian forumers - but then, why should I hold back my opinions on a piece of architecture?

I'm afraid to say that I completely agree with you, Jack. This tower is a mess. It's trying too hard to be creative, and from a couple of angles it looks ridiculous. The organic, amorphous shape is bewildering and doesn't appeal to the eye; it just ends up looking strange in my opinion. For a tower this size you'd expect something more "rigid", upright and solid-looking. This almost looks like it's going to melt and fall over.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:41 PM   #55
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Would the bitter British forumers please go back to their London threads !

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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:44 PM   #56
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I don't think wjfox2002 would find this ridiculous if it were anywhere else but in Paris.

Look out, moron, your feeling threatened is showing.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:46 PM   #57
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From a neutral perspective, too amorphous, would prefer something tall and graceful to echo the eiffel tower across the way...it looks a little ambiguous, as if it's not sure of itself. I was dissapointed because the previous renders hinted at a strong 400m pinnacle for La Defense, and this doesn't look as impressive -- the base looks confused and too cluttered, and i don't like the branches sticking up at the top.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:47 PM   #58
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I'm not a fan of boxy buildings at all, but this one just looks too organic for my taste.
However it's proably difficult to judge this buildings by the few average renders we have.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:48 PM   #59
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This is a world forum, you racist pigs -- stop telling certain nationalities to leave the discussion, even though i'm not a brit, they have a right to express their opinion.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:59 PM   #60
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This would look more at home in Dubai...it doesn't look high quality enough to be in a city like Paris, especially as a focal point.
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