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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:26 PM   #761
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It is not 1000 ft, why is it labeled supertall?
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:50 PM   #762
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The symbolical 1000ft limit is only important when you use this measure because it is a round number.
If we use the metric system than it is logic that 300 is the symbolical limit, not 304.8m just to please people who measure things in foots, that'd be ridiculous.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:02 PM   #763
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Another reason to visit Paris again. Nice project in one the best clusters of Europe!
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Old November 15th, 2007, 05:10 AM   #764
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N'avez pas vous une photo réal du la défense??
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Old November 15th, 2007, 05:20 AM   #765
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A mon avis - it looks like a toilet brush holder!
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Old November 17th, 2007, 12:05 AM   #766
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Old November 17th, 2007, 12:36 AM   #767
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I just got dizzy. And queasy. I can't figure it out.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 06:56 AM   #768
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this has to be one of my least favorite buildings in europe. come on paris, city of the louvre! cant you guys come up with a more aesthetically pleasing structure?
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Old November 17th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #769
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To understand how complex will be the cladding. That's will be very interesting I think.

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If Paris is city of Louvre, can't Paris be city of Beaubourg? or Eiffel Tower? two shocking landmarks, isn't it?
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Old November 17th, 2007, 04:29 PM   #770
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Who is this being built for?....or like the rest of the towers around it, is the poor French tax payer funding it?.

Because from what i've seen on these forums, nothing gets built in France unless the tax payer pays for it.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 07:43 PM   #771
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Who is this being built for?....or like the rest of the towers around it, is the poor French tax payer funding it?.

Because from what i've seen on these forums, nothing gets built in France unless the tax payer pays for it.

That's unfortunately quite close to the truth. Hopefully our new president will slowly allow the situation to evolve positively.
At the end of the day, La Défense has little unoccupied office space, so... Draw your own conclusions about this. The right balance could be achieved if the renewal plan kicks up private investements and attract new entrepreneurs as it is supposed to do.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 07:55 PM   #772
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That's wrong Paris is one of world's most active city in office construction.
Inner Paris and its inner suburbs (6.5 million habitants 700 km²) build more office space than London (7.5 million inhabitants 1,500 km²) or New York (8 million inhabitants 800 km²)

Most building in France are financed by private entreprise.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #773
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That's wrong Paris is one of world's most active city in office construction.
Inner Paris and its inner suburbs (6.5 million habitants 700 km²) build more office space than London (7.5 million inhabitants 1,500 km²) or New York (8 million inhabitants 800 km²)

Most building in France are financed by private entreprise.
Yet London and New York are much bigger finance centres than paris....

Seems to me, this rush of new skyscraper proposals have been born out of fear that Paris is falling behind, rather than any real need for them.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:09 PM   #774
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It don't change the fact that Paris is one of biggest business center of world's, has the third largest office estate (after Tokyo and New York) with a very low vacancy rate.
La Defense represent only 8% of Paris total office space.

Paris is the second city with the most Global fortube 500 hQ and has GDP of $600 billion (If Paris was a country it will have the 16th largest economy in the world)
Actually Paris (12 million inh) is the 6th largest metropolitan economy after Tokyo (35 million inh), New York (20th million inh), Los Angeles (18 million inh), Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto (18 million inh) and London (14 million inh).

Stop to underrate Paris in economy, it is far to be a touristic city.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:27 PM   #775
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It don't change the fact that Paris is one of biggest business center of world's, has the third largest office estate (after Tokyo and New York) with a very low vacancy rate.
La Defense represent only 8% of Paris total office space.

Paris is the second city with the most Global fortube 500 hQ and has GDP of $600 billion (If Paris was a country it will have the 16th largest economy in the world)
Actually Paris (12 million inh) is the 6th largest metropolitan economy after Tokyo (35 million inh), New York (20th million inh), Los Angeles (18 million inh), Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto (18 million inh) and London (14 million inh).

Stop to underrate Paris in economy, it is far to be a touristic city.
oh dear...im going to stop it right there, as you seem to want to turn this into a city vs city.

Coming out with lists like that, whether they are true or not, really does show up your insecurity about Paris.

Buy the way London has the largest metro economy in Europe at over $700billion....not Paris.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:41 PM   #776
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Rectification, you want turn this thread in city vs city in
I say that Paris was second economic city in Europe with $600 billion.
I have never said that Paris have a biggest metropolitan economy than London
So stop please

To be clear if Paris can't build these building due at demand (actually very it is high for Paris) no many city in world the world can.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #777
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oh dear...im going to stop it right there, as you seem to want to turn this into a city vs city.

Coming out with lists like that, whether they are true or not, really does show up your insecurity about Paris.

Buy the way London has the largest metro economy in Europe at over $700billion....not Paris.
What the ****?

You come here and start to bash the building (there is nothing wrong with being critical but at least give decent arguments) and second that by saying that french taxpayers will pay for it. And we all know what it means here, "France is too socialist blablabla" (as if that was a problem in itself but that's not the question), "France's economy is lame blablablablabla".

Minato just answers by saying that countrary to preconceived ideas, the parisian economy is booming and is one of the first in Europe and you answer by saying that New York and London have bigger financial fields. (you probably are not even aware of the fact that finances is only a small field in economy, you can have the first economy in the world but a small financial sector.

You are the one turning this into a city versus city thread and bringing politics where they don't belong, so please if you have nothing constructive and on-topic to say, **** off.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #778
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What the ****?

You come here and start to bash the building (there is nothing wrong with being critical but at least give decent arguments) and second that by saying that french taxpayers will pay for it. And we all know what it means here, "France is too socialist blablabla" (as if that was a problem in itself but that's not the question), "France's economy is lame blablablablabla".

Minato just answers by saying that countrary to preconceived ideas, the parisian economy is booming and is one of the first in Europe and you answer by saying that New York and London have bigger financial fields. (you probably are not even aware of the fact that finances is only a small field in economy, you can have the first economy in the world but a small financial sector.

You are the one turning this into a city versus city thread and bringing politics where they don't belong, so please if you have nothing constructive and on-topic to say, **** off.


Lol....nothing gets the heckles up of a French person more than being remined of the facts about frances place in the world...

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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #779
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Crazymac, stop trolling. It's not a forumer here who speaks but an admin.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 12:42 PM   #780
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That's wrong Paris is one of world's most active city in office construction.
Inner Paris and its inner suburbs (6.5 million habitants 700 km²) build more office space than London (7.5 million inhabitants 1,500 km²) or New York (8 million inhabitants 800 km²)

Most building in France are financed by private entreprise.

You are indeed correct.
What I wrote and persist in saying is that tall buildings in Paris (meaning La Défense really) are mostly financed and built due to goverment planning. 'Most' is the term I'm using here.
I'm sure you will somewhat agree with that.


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Lol....nothing gets the heckles up of a French person more than being remined of the facts about frances place in the world...

As for CrazyMac, you might be totally right in thinking that France is a country plagued by high unemployement, out-of-control immigration, rigid and out-dated labour laws, and marxist work unions that would only deserve 'thatcherization'... I would completely agree with you. But there are ways of saying it and getting your point accross in a more productive way; espescially when you are an administrator normally obliged to a fair and unbiased treatment to all. So watch your words; and smilies as well.

Back to the topic now: this tower rules!
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