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Old December 12th, 2007, 12:32 PM   #821
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Philosophical question: Can a skyscraper be pregnant?
This is a good example that yes it can But the worst pregnant was still the planned design of Torre Bicentenario that was probably going to have twins...
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Old December 12th, 2007, 12:44 PM   #822
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I am all for creativity. But, that is one hideous buillding. YUCK! Paris deserves so much better. Besides, if any flying creature (birds) fly into or land on those things, dead bird!!
that's the whole point!
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #823
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Paris is used to having weird out-of-place elements. La Défense seemed a well designed area, with sthetic simple buildings, until the Phare exploded with its pronounced curves, its well shown net, its "cacophony of squares" (as told by AMS guy) to become the new icon of the most beautiful city on earth (citizen's modesty on a side).
As people first hated the Tour Eiffel, the Pyramide du Louvre and Pompidou, they also hate Tour Phare. There's no doubt that the Tour Phare is to become the next icon, wheter we like it or not. And that's the Paris way: everything is a new piece of a living museum.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 11:24 PM   #824
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Sorry, but I think it's a bit strange to compare this building to the Eiffel Tower.

Just because people disliked the Eiffel doesn't mean that every shitty building is just as good as the Eiffel.

Besides, the Eiffel, is, like, historical and stuff.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 02:36 AM   #825
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I didn't say it was as good as the tour Eiffel! I said we parisiens hate it as we hate everything new in our city, but eventually we get to love anything (or at least we love pople love our city).
I also think this building sucks, but it's obvious that its going to become a new icon, I like it or not.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM   #826
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Besides, the Eiffel, is, like, historical and stuff.
like..... yeah totaly.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 05:48 PM   #827
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Paris is used to having weird out-of-place elements. La Défense seemed a well designed area, with sthetic simple buildings, until the Phare exploded with its pronounced curves, its well shown net, its "cacophony of squares" (as told by AMS guy) to become the new icon of the most beautiful city on earth (citizen's modesty on a side).
As people first hated the Tour Eiffel, the Pyramide du Louvre and Pompidou, they also hate Tour Phare. There's no doubt that the Tour Phare is to become the next icon, wheter we like it or not. And that's the Paris way: everything is a new piece of a living museum.
Well I am not so sure if ppl hated Eiffel tower, when it was built.
Besides ppl still hate pompidou it is just ugly no matter what u say.
Same with Phare.
Eifel tower was always a beautiful piece of engineering, symetric, classic iron construction.
I think that ppl who have chosen that project(phare) just wanted it to be diffrent from those that U can see in other cities, something not typical, no matter how ugly it is.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #828
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People did hate the Eiffel Tower at the beginning, except maybe some cutting-edge artists and writers. Most newspapers were infuriated at the vision of an engineering piece of metal in the midst of Hausmannian Paris. Eiffel Tower needed the praise by poets like Apollinaire and painters like Chagall or Léger, its role as a military radio during WWI and its advertising clout used by some famous French firms like Citroën, to be really appreciated by Parisians. It took around 30 years.
Now you may find Pompidou Center ugly, just like some Parisians, French and tourists, it's still one of the most significant 20th century structure in the world, and is one of the most audacious addition to Paris' landscape.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #829
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Old December 20th, 2007, 10:14 PM   #830
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dont think the tower looks great in the render but i think when built it would look ok
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Old January 11th, 2008, 01:51 AM   #831
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Old January 11th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #832
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nice renders

they would start construction in jan. isn't it ? or was it tour generali ?
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Old January 11th, 2008, 08:55 PM   #833
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Generalli tower construction should start in the end of 2008 and Phare in the debut of 2009.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #834
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I prefered the older basis
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Old January 11th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #835
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Old January 12th, 2008, 04:32 AM   #836
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very nice
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Old January 12th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #837
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I love Phare. It will be an amazing fit of engineering and a great addition to the Paris skyline.

Ignorants are always wary of novelty.
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Yes this is actually a novelty, no one ever approved similar piece of ....
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Old January 13th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #839
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This is going to stick out like a sore thumb in Paris.. still pretty cool though
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:38 AM   #840
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Ugly as ****!!!

Among all the proposals (and also among the new skyscprapers projects around the globe), this one is possibly one of the worst in my opinion. For many reasons, first because it has no identity, it is just a big ameba or whatever organic shit the architectural firm though of and second of all, and most important, it has nothing to do with the rich history of architecture of France, Paris, the modern and classic styles, art-nouveau, gothic revival, etc..futhermore I believe it has nothing to do with the european life style. It is like a big parasite challenging the supremacy of Eiffel Tower in the Paris' skyline aiming for attention.

It would fit maybe in some japanese city, where they are looking for some kind of identity after the economy is, again, growing up, or maybe in USA or Canada where there are so many new cities packed with post-modern buildings looking for a new identity, and maybe Dubai or China and its megalomaniac utopic dreams of architecture.

I agreed with some here stating that OMA s proposal is kinda of lame. I am not standing for OMA's ideal, but on the other hand I, believe, it is not lack of inspiration to design sort of organic ¨ultracontemporay¨, coollest design to a building. In my sense, I guess, the heads behind OMA and also, for example, Jean Nouvel's proposal has a very consistent reason to be so. I understand they know how to feel the city and tried to make their projects so that it would not, absurdelly, distort the skyline. So It is almost like, eventhough I have never met Jean Nouvel, or never been to Paris, but it is incredible how I can feel and understand how their ¨lame¨ ideas fit very suitable to Paris and its whole background.


In fact I liked very much Jean Nouvel's proposal as much as Manuelle Gautrand's too. Both french and for any abstract reason I totally get what kind of interation beetwen the new with the old-style, classic style fit harmonicaly. In Manuelle Gautrand's design I almost feel the art-nouveau-like cladding...it is a genial proposal, and Jean Nouvel's and its big screen on top of it. Well it seems its design has been propositally put some boundaries as a primary program for the development of the concept. Because deep inside it is like the building is, in fact, to be a icon for the new contemporary Paris, but also trying, in purpose, to be sober. Sober, that's the word wich I believe must reign the architecture for some places.

Places are different and architects must know the boundaries where they're working at and feel a city as a whole. In Paris case, why would it need to have a skyscraper such as Morphosis' proposal to compete with the China's, Dubai's or Chicago's centre of attention?

Afterall, this Morphosis' design reminds me a lot of one done some years ago by the french firm "R & Sie" and due to the complexity of their web page I could not find the picture again. It is like a live organism, with its structure playing the role of tentacles or whatever. Very cool design.



I did not find the pix, but http://www.new-territories.com/roche%20biennal1.htm , linking to this URL it has some animated gif under the name "Tour"
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