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Old February 12th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #981
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Old March 15th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #982
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According to this article, building permit has been submitted last week and construction is due to start in mid-2011
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Old March 15th, 2010, 02:07 PM   #983
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Some drawings from Thom Mayne's website :

Phare-Eiffel Tower comparison :



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Roof plan :



North-South section :



East-West section:

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Old March 15th, 2010, 02:13 PM   #984
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Some drawings from Thom Mayne's website :

Phare-Eiffel Tower comparison :



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North-South section :



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Old March 22nd, 2010, 02:17 AM   #985
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With the results of regional elections today, the "Grand Paris" is not sure for future. Because the "Parti" (Parti Socialiste and Ecologistes) which won there, in Ille-de-France, doesn't want it. Just an observation, I'm French and I know what's going on with Politic and its consequences. So we'll see if it will be built in the near future.
I explain more : in France, one "Region" decides of budget of urbanism and what will be built. So we'll see in the near future.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 02:32 AM   #986
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Maybe you're French, but you don't really know what you're talking about. The Socialists were already ruling the Greater Paris region, so no change here. Besides, the Grand Paris is a political project unrelated to the Phare Tower, and it's the French government that will have the last say in this, not the Socialist region.
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I explain more : in France, one "Region" decides of budget of urbanism and what will be built.
You are completely mistaken... Firstly, It has nothing to do with the region's budget : it's a privately funded project, the region will not pay a penny. Secondly, in France, it's the "commune" which decides what can be built or not. And anyway, La Défense is an "Opération d'Intérêt National" (OIN) and therefore has a special status
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La Défense looking good actually.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 01:55 PM   #989
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Unfortunately it is mayors who decide where we can build things or no expected for projects of "national importance" where their authorities can be overridden. This is how people manage to build cheap houses near coastlines where they really shouldn't build because of environmental protection and also risks of floods.

I don't think regional councils are that important, I mean what do they manage for urbanism? Regional trains (TER), high-schools (the buildings) and what else? I'd argue General Councils are more important as they manage departmental roads, school transportations, firemen, middle-school (buildings too) and they really have an influence over water treatment and management policies.
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Mayors can't decide alone, and if you know brisavoine what happened in France, you'll know that Socialist are regrouped with Ecologists now in Ille de France to take decision. We'll see in future.
@ Matthieu, budget of the region make budget of cities too. They have also power on school bourse, authorities, etc...
But it's known that this project will be promoted by Department, yes ! And "Communes".

When will Tour Phare's Project start ?
We are waiting for the vote aboutthe first budget of the Grand Paris this month (http://www.agglo-gpso.fr/communaute/...is-seine-ouest)

Well I want it to be built, but I'm French and I prefer to see what can happen here because it's too long to get a building license. But there are environmental obligations in France too. (http://www.senat.fr/rap/r07-262/r07-26221.html)

We are waiting for the decision about the first budget this month...
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You're right, prefects can cancel a mayor's decision to deliver building permits, but prefects are appointed by the national government. I don't remember the regional councils having any influence over building permits and general legislations. They may make noise but do they have legislative power to cancel these projects? I doubt so.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 03:06 PM   #992
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Abdy, you are really mixing apples and oranges. The "Grand Paris" you're talking about is a mere "communauté d'agglomération", called "Grand Paris-Seine Ouest", and grouping together 7 communes (Boulogne-Billancourt, Chaville, Issy-les-Moulineaux, Meudon, Sèvres, Vanves and Ville d’Avray). It has nothing to do with the Phare tower.
And as Matthieu says, there is no hierachical link between the region and the commune.
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Well a regional or general council president can influence mayors, but it'll be unofficial and often within the same side (a socialist president can tell a mayor what may be or not good for his future within politics). But with the EPAD at the hands of the UMP I don't think regional presidents will be in a real position to influence them.
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Are you realizing at all that you kids are having an 'inter-French' conversation... in English!?!
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^ I think we're all just dying for some real development updates...
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Are you realizing at all that you kids are having an 'inter-French' conversation... in English!?!
Yes !
But French is not an Universal Language.
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Ile-de-France - Defense, two new towers subject to the opinion of the inhabitants

France Soir News at 6:40 04/05/10
Public surveys for the construction of Phare and Majunga, two tall buildings in the district of La Defense business, just started.

The kickoff was given yesterday. But public inquiries regarding the two rounds will be held over five weeks - until June 5 to June 4 to Phare and Majunga for - for mayor of Puteaux (Hauts-de-Seine). They enable the public, said the prefecture of the Hauts-de-Seine, to inspect documents and to give its opinion on the two architectural projects.
Designed by U.S. architect Thom Wayne, the Phare tower - 287 m high, 147 000 m2 - should break ground by 2015. It will be the tallest skyscraper in France and one of the tallest buildings in Europe. Majunga, designed by architect Jean-Paul Viguier, is smaller (194m, 69,500 m2). It should see its share for the day in 2013.

Consultation open to all

In a letter Tuesday to the prefect of Hauts-de-Seine, the group elected opposition municipal Courbevoie (PS, PCF and the Greens) have called " the public inquiry file is also available at the town hall in Courbevoie » , whose territory adjoins that of Puteaux. In another letter, also sent out last week, elected members of the Modern Defence have in turn called for " the extension of public hearings for a maximum of fifteen days because of the simultaneity of these two surveys .

Asked about these claims, the prefecture of the Hauts-de-Seine said that the decision of any extension investigator returned to the Commissioner, while stressing that the public inquiry, while standing in town hall Puteaux, was " open to all , " including the inhabitants of Courbevoie .

Straddles three municipalities, Puteaux, and Nanterre, Courbevoie, the district of La Defense business houses some 2,500 companies, 1,200 head. Nearly 150,000 employees work there and some 20,000 people live there.

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Lets hope people of Paris want this tower, becouse its really beautiful, and unique design.
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Phare Tower Public Inquiry

Thursday, June 3, 2010 by Catherine
Defense: 145 + 000 m2 of office employees 8000 + conditions + transport nuisance unworthy of any kind ... Contributed by Catherine Bernard, filed in the register of public inquiry being in Puteaux.
On 1 June 2010

For the attention of Mrs. Murielle LESCOP, commissioner investigating

Subject: Public Inquiry Tower Lighthouse

Commissioner-investigator,

Please kindly find below the comments that I make in the context of the ongoing public inquiry.

Firstly, it is quite unfortunate that this public inquiry has taken place with minimal advertising. It's a real challenge to find a trace on the site of the city of Puteaux, the consulting hours of the record effectively exclude many people involved in this project, and finally, contrary to usual in investigations Public in La Defense - Courbevoie, billboards were a rare degree of discretion outside the immediate vicinity! Moreover, it was limited only to the city of Puteaux, even though the project impacts seriously and only the inhabitants of Courbevoie, it should have been articulated with the extension of Nanterre, and it has at- beyond, very negative impacts on traffic and air quality.

Efficiency

This tower is described as "green", but the presentation is at least very incomplete, its energy is "calculated excluding elevator and office ...". The issues are totally ignored the Grenelle in the project, while the implementing legislation of the RT 2012 is about to be published for the effective implementation from 1 January 2011 in the service sector (source: Department of Ecology, Energy, Sustainable Development and the Sea) and yet the energy target RT 2012 was defined in the law Grenelle 1! For the record, compared to the aging RT 2005 RT 2012, 50 kWh of primary energy consumption per m2 of gross floor area per year. The Lighthouse tower project is untenable and ignores a few months of the application of RT 2012 for office buildings, even though it will be delivered during 2012 and RT even though the recommendations due 2020 are known , adopted by the European Parliament dated 18 May 2010, new buildings must now achieve an energy consumption "virtually nil". Just built, this tower will be obsolete, this project is not only not sustainable in the state, but it is in total disagreement with management goals bioclimatic European and global climate issues!

And these are not the twenty windmills "gadgets" that will work only sporadically, which will change the state, except perhaps for the Peregrine Falcon business district may lose more than a few feathers!

As for the overall ecological footprint ... here is an article of special issue of the Monitor May 2010 "Sustainable Building", which speaks for itself:

"The footprint of the towers is disastrous," Françoise-Hélène Jourda, architect: Beyond 100 m, a tower is not sustainable. Simply measure the ecological footprint to verify. In energy, none falls below 180 kWh ep/m2.an, compared with the target of 50 kWh ep/m2.an. And the existing towers consume between 500 and 1000 kWh ep/m2.an! After five levels, even in covering the roof of photovoltaic panels, it is not building a zero energy building. And the standard will apply Bepos in 2020! In addition, the materials used (concrete, steel, glass) incorporate a maximum of embodied energy. In addition, for 1m2 living, we must build 1.40 m2 (1.10 m2 cons if we "slept" the tower), because of the thick vertical circulation cores. The low impact on the soil and subsoil is true only if one does not touch the ground and that we do not build parking lots. As to densify ... If we remove the towers from each other, we do not denser! Financially, a tower is 2-3 times more expensive per m2 than a conventional building. It is in fact reserved for the upper classes and corporate offices.

Environment and quality of life

The project does not include thousands of local residents Faubourg de l'Arche neighboring the proposed location for this tower. They have chosen to live in a pedestrian area along the park, enabling young children to leisure and relaxation, will see their quality of life deteriorate: significant loss of sunlight, wind tenfold truncated approach, access to courts gradient ... while the footbridge was made 10 years and is poor in service for 2 years!

Currently, the circulation areas of the business district are already under-sized to accommodate the crowd of employees, visitors, residents who ended up under the stress of jostling at fixed times (morning, afternoon, evening), nothing is expected to improve this sensitive point. In addition, bicycle lanes planned to reach La Defense may be as costly outcomes for the taxpayers, bicycle access and circulation of the slab is not compatible with the ratio increase / movement of users.

Hundreds of truck movements per day are expected during the four years of work. These movements, coupled with construction equipment will cause serious pollution, primarily for residents who suffer to the detriment of their health, noise levels disturbing their sleep and their peace of mind for long time periods. Those same nuisance, on the lower slots will also be experienced by other users. The living conditions in La Défense merely deteriorate: yards after another, renovation of infrastructure ...

Anecdotal, but as the UN declared "2010 International Year of Biodiversity," I do not stand up to stress the current demise of the plantations for the benefit of potted shrubs, a horticultural landscape very debatable!

The impact study minimizes the negative effects (which they will be durable goods as opposed to the tower) that suffer daily the residents and users of the business district, the health impact is inconsistent. It is clear that the public interest is not part of the project and that the "human" is totally absent from the project!

Transport

Add 145,000 m2 of offices in La Defense, even as many seats move for economic reasons in nearby towns and office space are free, it certainly does not reflect economic reality, but it ' is mostly ignoring the saturation of transport serving Defence. Want to add some 8,000 new employees to the flood of 450,000 travelers from the west of Paris who are traveling in conditions unworthy of unconsciousness and is not an extension of the tramway T2 during work will solve the problem, as buses, crowded today, on the same route will be deleted. Traffic is already a "hell" for both those living near roads for pedestrians and motorists themselves . Inject the movement of thousands of employees who will not pile up in transit on the verge of suffocation will only compound the many sanitary nuisances: emission of harmful particles, emission of greenhouse gases, pollution sound, etc..

For all these reasons, I ask you, Commissioner-investigator, to issue an adverse opinion on the lighthouse tower project under investigation.

Catherine BERNARD
Deputy Mayor for Environment and Energy Management (Colombes)
framework in a company in La Défense (Puteaux)

http://vertscolombes.fr/spip.php?article510


Damn, some polititians are really against that project. Lets hope it will go forwarld.

Btw, I wonder if Tours Hermitage has had the same conditions to reach
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Originally posted by Brisavoine in the Paris projects & construction thread.

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Yesterday we went to the town hall of Puteaux to check the administrative dossier of Phare Tower. That's the administrative dossier the developer needs to submit before obtaining a building permit (the building permit was officially issued last month). The thousands of pages in the dossier, with lots of graphs and plans, were extremely informative. We made some photocopies and Minato Ku is going to scan some and upload them on the forum shortly.

In the meantime, here are a few data I gathered in the dossier. After checking the most detailed graphs and plans, I can tell you the exact height of Phare Tower from street level to the tip of the "hair" above the tower will be 297 meters (974 feet). From the concrete slab of La Défense to the tip of the "hair", the height will be 287 meters (942 feet).

The tower will contain exactly 74 floors (plus 3 underground levels if I remember correctly... waiting for Minato Ku's scans to confirm). 3 floors will be between the street level and the concrete slab, and 71 floors will be above the concrete slab (i.e. when walking from the Grande Arche, you'll have 71 floors towering above you). The last floor accessible to the public will be the 70th floor (i.e. the 66th floor above the concrete slab). This floor will contain a high-end restaurant and a sky lounge looking over Central Paris. The last 4 floors above the restaurant will be technical floors (cooling system, machinery, etc.).

Now here is the interesting bit: the restaurant and lounge will be the highest viewpoint accessible to the public in Paris, higher than the 3rd floor of the Eiffel Tower. The reason for that is because La Défense is a hill, and Phare Tower will stand towards the top of the hill. The street level at the bottom of Phare Tower is exactly 52 meters above sea-level, whereas the street level at the bottom of the Eiffel Tower is 33.5 meters above sea-level. As a result, when you're on the third floor of the Eiffel Tower, you're 310 meters above sea-level, but those standing in the restaurant and lounge of Phare Tower will be 319 meters above sea-level. Or to put it differently, when you're standing on the third floor of the Eiffel Tower, you're 274 meters above Central Paris, whereas when standing in the restaurant and lounge of Phare Tower you'll be 283 meters above Central Paris.

What else. The shape of the tower at its base is incredibly complex, but Minato will tell you more with his scans. The tower will literally straddle the pedestrian bridge that goes over the Boulevard extérieur, so when going on the bridge over that boulevard, you'll be walking below an arch in a building towering 287 meters above you, with both feet of the tower on each side of the bridge. There'll be a third foot near the CNIT if I remember correctly, with a massive elevator reaching an elevated entrance lobby (can't remember on which floor). This elevated lobby standing in the air above the concrete slab will itself have amazing dimensions, with its ceiling several floors above it (can't remember how many floors, but there are many... it's going to look like the ceiling of a cathedral in terms of height). All of this will appear more clearly in Minato Ku's scans.

All in all, a truly sci-fi building. The esplanade before the Grand Arche will never look the same after this tower is built. I think no render so far has done real justice to the actual surreal dimensions and shapes of the tower at its base.

Last but not least, from a distance Phare Tower will look almost as tall as the Eiffel Tower. That's because it's built on top of a hill. The tip of the "hair" will be 349 meters above sea-level, whereas the top of the Eiffel Tower's antenna is 358 meters above sea-level. Phare will also look as tall as the Hermitage Towers. From street level, the Hermitage Towers are significantly taller than Phare Tower (323 m for the Hermitage Towers vs. 297 m for Phare Tower), but the Hermitage Towers will be built at the bottom of the La Défense Hill, so their summit is "only" 350 meters above sea-level, i.e. almost exactly the same as Phare Tower.
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