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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #1001
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Plans from the building permit

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East West view of inside the tower.


Overall plan (scroll >>>>)
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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #1002
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Plans from the building permit

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Railways (voies ferrees) level


Concrete slab (R+00)
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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #1003
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Was the height reduced? Reminds me of the rather unnecessary reduction of the Bishopsgate Tower. I don't get why people insist in lopping meters off here and there.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:51 PM   #1004
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Plans from the building permit

Second floor after the concrete slab (R+01)


Main lobby, tenth floor after the concrete slab (R+09)


Panoramic restaurant, 67th floor after the concrete slab (R+66)


Roof plan
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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:54 PM   #1005
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I think, the most ugliest building (supertall) ever for beautiful Paris....brrrrr....
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Old August 29th, 2010, 04:57 PM   #1006
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It's very complex and I don't want to be the guys who'll built the base. I say built it, whenever we like or no, it'll be unique, one in the world.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #1007
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It's wonderful.
Hope they'll build this tower...
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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:09 PM   #1008
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The tower is very complex, the building permit also.
Tons of documents.
If we (Brisavoine, Metropolitan and me) really wanted to read all of them, we could stay several day inside Puteaux town hall.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:11 PM   #1009
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It is a brand new way of designing, creating a tower. Some people have named it a "non-tower". Indeed it is really different from what we have seen in highrise architecture so far. A kind of new step in the process of building tall. Definitely my #1 expected architectural achievement in Paris.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:14 PM   #1010
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Yeah, the project has become much more interesting since the first renders.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:17 PM   #1011
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Unfortunely this tower is slighly under 300m.



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Old August 29th, 2010, 05:18 PM   #1012
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the renders looks like a beer stomach, for Paris I would choose another more traditional and elegance supertall.

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Old August 29th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #1013
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the renders looks like a beer stomach, for Paris I would choose another more traditional and elegance supertall.
The building has to be imagined in 3D to really perceive how it would look like for real.

I understand your image of a fat belly when looking on 2D diagrams, but it's a lot less obvious in 3D, because the bump would actually be on the edge, not central. I guess the skin of the building will look a lot more like a long woman skirt, with the right leg being covered and the left leg being uncovered from the knee.

You can see this well on the 3D model I've created for Google Earth. It's easy to download and I guess you'll see what I mean:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...e1ce14e998bf00

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Old August 29th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #1014
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Was the height reduced?
No. The top of the tower is 349 meters above sea-level, and the maximum height currently allowed at La Défense is 350 meters above sea-level due to aviation constraints. They have actually used the maximum height they were allowed to use, except for 1 meter.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #1015
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The building has to be imagined in 3D to really perceive how it would look like for real.
Exactly. The shape of the tower will be constantly changing as you'll walk around it, or look at it from different places in Greater Paris.

But to me the most spectacular thing will be its base. People just don't realize yet how enormous the proportions of the base are going to be, especially the huge holes and archways. It will make people feel very small when walking in those archways under the tower.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #1016
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I personally admire this building for the design. The French is doing a great!
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Old August 29th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #1017
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the renders looks like a beer stomach, for Paris I would choose another more traditional and elegance supertall.
Wait for the building to be constructed before hating it dude...you might change your mind, or not...

Phare might not be the most gorgeous skyscraper in the world but it will be one of a kind, that's for sure. Not only Phare has been delayed owing to the recession, it has also been a real headache for engineers given the extreme technical complexity (particularly regarding its base). Phare will not be like any other tower worldwide, it will launch a brand new type of building in many ways.

Let's be sure of something, with such an unusual & controversial shape, they can't (& I feel like saying they WON'T) afford to mess up the clad.

Furthermore if they stick to the original light scheme, Phare will enchant La Défense at night...
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Is it me or they've shortened Phare's hair a bit...? I hope no, I loved it the way it was...

Congratulations Brisavoine, Minato Ku & Metropolitan IV(lol) on doing such a great job! We're all very grateful to you guys, thanks a lot.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #1018
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Is it me or they've shortened Phare's hair a bit...? I hope no, I loved it the way it was...
I prefer short hair, on a guy as on a tower.
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Old August 30th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #1019
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I partially agree, yes for a guy, no for a tower...lol

Just a reminder of what we can expect (renderings date from feb 2010):















Light simulation: http://www.morphopedia.com/files/phare-tower-light-simulation



ps: merci Galik d'avoir reposté le lien...

http://morphopedia.com/projects/phar...lery/images/1/
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Old August 30th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #1020
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I have to say, I don't particularly like this design - La Defence could do a lot better..
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