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Old November 28th, 2006, 08:24 AM   #121
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Old November 28th, 2006, 09:03 AM   #122
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ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.
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Old November 28th, 2006, 09:21 AM   #123
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ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.
It's not a supertall, it's a signal
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Old November 28th, 2006, 09:26 AM   #124
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Great job Morphosis ! I can't wait !
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Old November 28th, 2006, 12:14 PM   #125
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This project should not be compared with the Eiffel Tower, but with the Pompidou Center. A project which was audacious and bold at its time, people couldn't believe that such a "beautiful" city like Paris could throw this monster in its historical core, Parisians were insulting the architects, insulting the building, making sarcastic or desesperate comments... Now it is a famous landmark and in all the architecture books. I know people that still think it has nothing to do in Paris... Out of the modern buildings in Paris, the Pompidou center is probably the most radical: a factory-like shape, bright colours, transparent stairway on the facade, a total shock when it emerged in the medieval center of Paris, and at the same time it created a nice public square linking different Parisians neighborhood.
This Morphosis tower will play the same role: a whatever-like shape, an outside stairway generating a new kind of public space offering new vista points over la Défense, a total contrast between its organic and animal turgescence and the geometric and rigid architecture of la Défense. And it will create new links between different la Défense areas (Faubourg de l'Arche, CNIT, Grande Arche), whereas now we just have a collection of towers.
In the skyline the tour Signal's effect will probably be very deceptive, uninteresting, or even ugly. No way it can compete with the photogenic lines of the Shard in London for instance, or the visually elegant design of Bishopgate. But from the streetlevel, it will blow all current built/proposed/approved buildings away!!! The experience for the passer-by will be absolutely astonishing, when seeing this glassy monster emerging like a living substance from the ground and the surrounding buildings. The most fascinating and stunning piece of architecture ever: not elegant, not pretty, not sharp like so many "classy" towers growing everywhere, even with high quality (NY, London, Madrid, Chicago, Moscow, etc) but audacious, new, revolutionary: the first time organic architecture is applied to a skyscraper!!!
As a Parisien, I am very very happy this kind or architectural event happens one again in Paris, like the Pompidou Center did.

Very true - I think this building will elevate all of its suroundings because LD has too often been an area of mediocracy. This together with la Grande Arche and the Generali tower will make LD very unique. The first renderings are obvioulsy not very detailed and I am looking forward to see more details on the cladding. I think the entrance of this building with the escalators and the square will be just impressive.
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Old November 28th, 2006, 01:08 PM   #126
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ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.
no wonder this turned out to be a london vs paris thread - it isn't the first time (look at all the paris development threads) - it is as symptomatic that pretty much every british comment is a negative one as it is remarkable that the vast majority of the brits think that their projects are the best in the world and that the rest sucks. it has always been london vs paris/frankfurt/moscow/istanbul/whatever - the reasons for that have already been discussed on skyscrapercity countless times.

you just need to read comments in the british forum - most people really dislike (hate) paris - especially now with all the new projects, because it turns out that london won't have a better skyscraper skyline.

of course, everybody is entitled to express their opinion, but it is really remarkable that the british comments are generally negative - I don't understand why the british members of this forum feel as victims here - it's is so obvious.

it seems there is symbiosis between the worship of the projects in its own country and the dislike of projects in other countries. happens all the time and not only in britain. but the british example is the most obvious one. if it wasn't so tragic it would be worth a laugh.




god, Im looking forward to this project
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Old November 28th, 2006, 01:26 PM   #127
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At the moment I'm not too mad about this one but it does have the potential to be groundbreaking and one of those that are hated at first then loved later on
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Old November 28th, 2006, 01:29 PM   #128
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no wonder this turned out to be a london vs paris thread - it isn't the first time (look at all the paris development threads) - it is as symptomatic that pretty much every british comment is a negative one as it is remarkable that the vast majority of the brits think that their projects are the best in the world and that the rest sucks. it has always been london vs paris/frankfurt/moscow/istanbul/whatever - the reasons for that have already been discussed on skyscrapercity countless times.

you just need to read comments in the british forum - most people really dislike (hate) paris - especially now with all the new projects, because it turns out that london won't have a better skyscraper skyline.

of course, everybody is entitled to express their opinion, but it is really remarkable that the british comments are generally negative - I don't understand why the british members of this forum feel as victims here - it's is so obvious.

it seems there is symbiosis between the worship of the projects in its own country and the dislike of projects in other countries. happens all the time and not only in britain. but the british example is the most obvious one. if it wasn't so tragic it would be worth a laugh.




god, Im looking forward to this project


With this post, you'll probably create a new wave of stupid comments... Thank you...
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Old November 28th, 2006, 02:54 PM   #129
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With this post, you'll probably create a new wave of stupid comments... Thank you...
So what ? We shouldn't be hostages of London freaks. This affair has already killed the French forum. Sometimes things have to be said.
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Old November 28th, 2006, 03:02 PM   #130
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English forumers are just jealous, they are realizing that in 10 years the London skyline will not be better than the paris skyline.
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Old November 28th, 2006, 03:23 PM   #131
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Old November 28th, 2006, 03:57 PM   #132
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ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.
Nobody knows really. There is no information about the exact height, which is typical in France. 300 meters is just an approximate number. It could end up being 320 meters, or 280 meters, nobody knows (let's recall that in France the tour Montparnasse is most often presented as a 200 meters tower, when it's actual height is in fact 210 meters). It could also be roof height, or height measured at the top of the "hair", nobody knows. Cyril assumes it is exactly 300 meters measured at the top of the "hair", that's just his personal opinion, nothing official. It will probably take several weeks or months before we know the exact height and how it's measured.

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Old November 28th, 2006, 04:08 PM   #133
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I'd like to see more comments! Not only comments from French and English forumers...
i like it....i love organic structures like that...hope to see something similar in bcn someday..congratulations for this fantastic tower
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Old November 28th, 2006, 04:38 PM   #134
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Nobody knows really. There is no information about the exact height, which is typical in France. 300 meters is just an approximate number. It could end up being 320 meters, or 280 meters, nobody knows (let's recall that in France the tour Montparnasse is most often presented as a 200 meters tower, when it's actual height is in fact 210 meters). It could also be roof height, or height measured at the top of the "hair", nobody knows. Cyril assumes it is exactly 300 meters measured at the top of the "hair", that's just his personal opinion, nothing official. It will probably take several weeks or months before we know the exact height and how it's measured.
Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...
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Old November 28th, 2006, 05:42 PM   #135
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at least this project is interesting...i see it as a new "georges Pompidou Center".....hopefully
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Old November 28th, 2006, 05:50 PM   #136
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Old November 28th, 2006, 05:51 PM   #137
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Old November 28th, 2006, 06:06 PM   #138
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Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...
Yes but we don't know the real height.
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Old November 28th, 2006, 06:09 PM   #139
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This project should not be compared with the Eiffel Tower, but with the Pompidou Center. A project which was audacious and bold at its time, people couldn't believe that such a "beautiful" city like Paris could throw this monster in its historical core, Parisians were insulting the architects, insulting the building, making sarcastic or desesperate comments... Now it is a famous landmark and in all the architecture books. I know people that still think it has nothing to do in Paris... Out of the modern buildings in Paris, the Pompidou center is probably the most radical: a factory-like shape, bright colours, transparent stairway on the facade, a total shock when it emerged in the medieval center of Paris, and at the same time it created a nice public square linking different Parisians neighborhood.
This Morphosis tower will play the same role: a whatever-like shape, an outside stairway generating a new kind of public space offering new vista points over la Défense, a total contrast between its organic and animal turgescence and the geometric and rigid architecture of la Défense. And it will create new links between different la Défense areas (Faubourg de l'Arche, CNIT, Grande Arche), whereas now we just have a collection of towers.
In the skyline the tour Signal's effect will probably be very deceptive, uninteresting, or even ugly. No way it can compete with the photogenic lines of the Shard in London for instance, or the visually elegant design of Bishopgate. But from the streetlevel, it will blow all current built/proposed/approved buildings away!!! The experience for the passer-by will be absolutely astonishing, when seeing this glassy monster emerging like a living substance from the ground and the surrounding buildings. The most fascinating and stunning piece of architecture ever: not elegant, not pretty, not sharp like so many "classy" towers growing everywhere, even with high quality (NY, London, Madrid, Chicago, Moscow, etc) but audacious, new, revolutionary: the first time organic architecture is applied to a skyscraper!!!
As a Parisien, I am very very happy this kind or architectural event happens one again in Paris, like the Pompidou Center did.
Very good point indeed !
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Old November 28th, 2006, 06:16 PM   #140
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