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bnmaddict · November 28th, 2006, 06:53 PM

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

brisavoine · November 28th, 2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bnmaddict

Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...

Ok, but Le Parisien doesn't know the real height, same as Cyril doesn't know, same as I don't know. Maybe we'll have to wait for the building permit issued by the local prefecture to know the exact height. Anyone knows when this building permit (permis de construire) will be issued?

Biakko · November 28th, 2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bnmaddict

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

Those british...

Just kidding

Hoogloper · November 28th, 2006, 07:03 PM

The design is very interesting and really a one of a kind. I think people have to see it for themselves before passing judgement.

serial_man · November 28th, 2006, 07:15 PM

Beautiful tower for a top city

Ahh...i'm portuguese

DG · November 28th, 2006, 07:19 PM

brilliant!!. go Paris!

DiggerD21 · November 28th, 2006, 07:24 PM

I don't know why there must be always these stupid competitions between cities in these forums? And I don't know why it shouldn't fit to Paris? This building will be located in La Defense, a suburb not known for classic parisien architecture and actually far away from the classic city centre, which draws millions of tourists to the city. Actually I think from most streets apart of the Champs Elysee you wouldn't see this building.

Varenukha · November 28th, 2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bnmaddict

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

Make that 7 Brits.
An inspiring design - and a perfect antidote (not that one is necessary) for those ill-informed creatures who say "Paris is a museum".

bnmaddict · November 28th, 2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Varenukha

Make that 7 Brits.
An inspiring design - and a perfect antidote (not that one is necessary) for those ill-informed creatures who say "Paris is a museum".

Metropolitan · November 28th, 2006, 07:38 PM

Here is an extra-large version of the main rendering. I only post the URL because the image is huge !
http://www.ladefense.fr/forum/epadag...tmorphosis.jpg (1366x3000 pixels)

And here is another version of the rendering from the bottom. I can post this one fully as it's not so big:

***wjfox*** · November 28th, 2006, 07:40 PM

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Varenukha · November 28th, 2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wjfox2002

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Do you mean me?

I do not assume anything - simply noting how often the Paris/museum comment (yawn) pops up from folks this side of La Manche, when proposals like this point to something quite different.

bnmaddict · November 28th, 2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wjfox2002

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Why do you assume that I assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

Newcastle Guy · November 28th, 2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wjfox2002

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Me too (well, I don't think the tower is that bad. I definately wouldn't say I hate it. I just don't think it's that great. It will certainly give a better pinnacle to La Defense than Generali will though)

I love Paris, I have been twice and I'm only 16. I hope to go again many times in the future. It's the biggest city I have ever been to, 2nd probably being Rome or Dusseldorf

jef · November 28th, 2006, 07:50 PM

I do not like it at all or maybe is it the rendering. At this stage I believe Paris will be much better with a new design - what about the other proposals?
It would be worthwhile to compare them all.

JGG · November 28th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Why would a bit of rivalry between London and Paris hurt anyway? It tends to bring the best out of both cities. Remember if it wasn't for Napoleon's III visit to London where he admired the parks and neo-classical architecture, he may never have embarked on his Paris modernisation plan. And if it wasn't for Wren studying "modern" architecture and construction techniques in Paris, London may never have had St Pauls. As long as people are happy to take constructive criticism in a positive way, it should contribute to these forums.

Varenukha · November 28th, 2006, 07:55 PM

I think it's difficult to form an impression of the suitability for structures such as these unless one is a resident. I have heard similar remarks about 122 Leadenhall from non-Londoners, whereas I don't think I have heard one London voice raised against it. Similarly for this tower - the French seem to like it, so maybe there is a cultural and societal resonance that Brits don't necessarily see.

Cyril · November 28th, 2006, 07:55 PM

I can count 62 floors from the lobby, which is said to be on the 9th floor, so 71 floors.

jef · November 28th, 2006, 07:59 PM

do you know the other proposals Cyril. There was a contest isn't it?

Blue Viking · November 28th, 2006, 08:28 PM

Very interesting! And also beautiful. Right now I think it is a bit more interesting than it is beautiful. But certainly also beautiful! The escalators are also a good idea. And the tower will look great together with the Generali!!

On the negative, I think it is a little bit too fat (but that could be the renderings) and I haven't yet come to terms with the 'hair'. What is it for? Does anyone like - or understand - the 'hair'?

Also I want to say, that the rivalry between London and Paris rivalry is a good thing for all of Europe. Maybe sometimes somebody makes a stupid comment in the wrong place. But this is just a symptom of the healthy competition between the two greatest cities in (Western) Europe. I hope that competition continues forever! I love Paris and I love London, and I hope both keep evolving at a fast pace.

November 28th, 2006, 07:15 PM	#145
serial_man Lisboa, a CAPITAL! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lisboa Posts: 596 Likes (Received): 0	Beautiful tower for a top city Ahh...i'm portuguese __________________ Portugal, the country where there are NO Skyscrapers!!

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Cyril Particle XLR8R Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14,909 Likes (Received): 387	I can count 62 floors from the lobby, which is said to be on the 9th floor, so 71 floors. __________________ Enlarge your Paris....Nan mais allo quoi !

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November 28th, 2006, 06:53 PM	#141
bnmaddict Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PARIS 11 Posts: 1,630 Likes (Received): 0	As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated: - Most French forumers like it - 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it - 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

November 28th, 2006, 07:03 PM	#144
Hoogloper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Amsterdam Centrum Posts: 2,091 Likes (Received): 1	The design is very interesting and really a one of a kind. I think people have to see it for themselves before passing judgement.

November 28th, 2006, 07:19 PM	#146
DG Emirian Lady Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dubai/Paris Posts: 1,218 Likes (Received): 0	brilliant!!. go Paris!

November 28th, 2006, 07:24 PM	#147
DiggerD21 spaghetti polonaise Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hamburg, Wroclaw Posts: 2,470 Likes (Received): 62	I don't know why there must be always these stupid competitions between cities in these forums? And I don't know why it shouldn't fit to Paris? This building will be located in La Defense, a suburb not known for classic parisien architecture and actually far away from the classic city centre, which draws millions of tourists to the city. Actually I think from most streets apart of the Champs Elysee you wouldn't see this building.

November 28th, 2006, 07:38 PM	#150
Metropolitan BANNED Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,457 Likes (Received): 2	Here is an extra-large version of the main rendering. I only post the URL because the image is huge ! http://www.ladefense.fr/forum/epadag...tmorphosis.jpg (1366x3000 pixels) And here is another version of the rendering from the bottom. I can post this one fully as it's not so big:

November 28th, 2006, 07:40 PM	#151
*wjfox* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L O N D O N Posts: 36,166 Likes (Received): 922	Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well? I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

November 28th, 2006, 07:50 PM	#155
jef Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brussels/London Posts: 3,362 Likes (Received): 0	I do not like it at all or maybe is it the rendering. At this stage I believe Paris will be much better with a new design - what about the other proposals? It would be worthwhile to compare them all.

November 28th, 2006, 07:53 PM	#156
JGG LONDON - Westminster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,841 Likes (Received): 0	Why would a bit of rivalry between London and Paris hurt anyway? It tends to bring the best out of both cities. Remember if it wasn't for Napoleon's III visit to London where he admired the parks and neo-classical architecture, he may never have embarked on his Paris modernisation plan. And if it wasn't for Wren studying "modern" architecture and construction techniques in Paris, London may never have had St Pauls. As long as people are happy to take constructive criticism in a positive way, it should contribute to these forums.

November 28th, 2006, 07:55 PM	#157
Varenukha London, UK Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 702 Likes (Received): 0	I think it's difficult to form an impression of the suitability for structures such as these unless one is a resident. I have heard similar remarks about 122 Leadenhall from non-Londoners, whereas I don't think I have heard one London voice raised against it. Similarly for this tower - the French seem to like it, so maybe there is a cultural and societal resonance that Brits don't necessarily see.

November 28th, 2006, 07:59 PM	#159
jef Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brussels/London Posts: 3,362 Likes (Received): 0	do you know the other proposals Cyril. There was a contest isn't it?

November 28th, 2006, 08:28 PM	#160
Blue Viking Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 503 Likes (Received): 0	Very interesting! And also beautiful. Right now I think it is a bit more interesting than it is beautiful. But certainly also beautiful! The escalators are also a good idea. And the tower will look great together with the Generali!! On the negative, I think it is a little bit too fat (but that could be the renderings) and I haven't yet come to terms with the 'hair'. What is it for? Does anyone like - or understand - the 'hair'? Also I want to say, that the rivalry between London and Paris rivalry is a good thing for all of Europe. Maybe sometimes somebody makes a stupid comment in the wrong place. But this is just a symptom of the healthy competition between the two greatest cities in (Western) Europe. I hope that competition continues forever! I love Paris and I love London, and I hope both keep evolving at a fast pace.