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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:11 PM   #241
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I was wondering if that would be a nuisance for the Turnberry residents.

I think they can recycle that pavement too when they're done with it. For instance, tons and tons of the Stardust rubble will be recycled for the new resort replacing it.
Recycle the pavement too? I hope so!
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:15 PM   #242
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Yes.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 02:10 AM   #243
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I wonder if the Fontainebleau development next door is renting the site? They moved all the truck trailers to the newly paved part and now they are installing some conduit all the way from the north end down to the south end where the trailers used to be parked next to Fontainebleau. Guess they're gonna plug something in there.



Plus, these parts for the fountainebleau tower cranes are parked on the LVT site.


And they are starting to pile up Fontainebleau rebar on the south end of the LVT site.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 02:13 AM   #244
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WOW! It looks like they're about to start construction really soon.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 02:36 AM   #245
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Or, as mdiederi just conjectured, perhaps, for the time being, Fountaineblue is using the LVT site as a stagging area.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:53 AM   #246
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Can't believe that this wonderful tower will become reality, when it is really and official UC i'll change it in my list
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:49 PM   #247
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is this going to be a realety end wen shuld it be finiched ?
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Old April 15th, 2007, 10:09 PM   #248
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I wonder if the Fontainebleau development next door is renting the site? They moved all the truck trailers to the newly paved part and now they are installing some conduit all the way from the north end down to the south end where the trailers used to be parked next to Fontainebleau. Guess they're gonna plug something in there.
More than likely Font needs to use the area is staging for construction on the main hotel tower. The big question is LVT will eventually need that space as well so either it's temporary or something's up with Milam's plans for this site.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 10:47 PM   #249
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The big question is how soon LVT will be canceled.
1. Ivana: Tall vs. LVT even taller
2. Even closer to airport than Ivana, but still cannot remove height restriction.
3. Ivana backed by a celebrity vs. LVT none
4. A few interested buyers for Ivana vs. LVT so far none.
5. Ivana canceld; so yeah, LVT is still a good fantasy though.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 10:54 PM   #250
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hopefully that will not happen
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Old April 16th, 2007, 12:11 AM   #251
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The big question is how soon LVT will be canceled.
1. Ivana: Tall vs. LVT even taller
2. Even closer to airport than Ivana, but still cannot remove height restriction.
3. Ivana backed by a celebrity vs. LVT none
4. A few interested buyers for Ivana vs. LVT so far none.
5. Ivana canceld; so yeah, LVT is still a good fantasy though.
Ivana put no money behind that project and the real developer had a bad track record. Milam has a successful track record.

LVT will initially be marketed as a pure hotel with the option to convert part of it to condos later.

LVT has a large casino, a large convention center and a large showroom attached it so it will make money the day it opens. Ivana did not.

Technically, there is no height restriction in that area. The FAA and airport approval is purely political.
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Old April 16th, 2007, 03:55 AM   #252
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i think by this building has no place in the Las Vegas of tomarrow.....kinda looks like is should be in the Dubai skyline...i mean they practical had everyone from the BD building working on this....and how corny to go for 1888ft just cause the washington monument was opened in 1888 and tallest building as the time....and to compare that with the Freedom Tower...they should've said they wanted the tallest building in the US. Fugly building
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Old April 16th, 2007, 05:25 AM   #253
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Technically, there is no height restriction in that area. The FAA and airport approval is purely political.
Very good points.
But no matter how fantastic the project looks or how much money is backing this project, the lack of FAA approval alone will sink this proposal. We are talking about aviation safety and human lives, and if they allow such a tall building to be built in that area, everyone else will want the same thing.

Not to mention the bureaucratic process they have to go through to get FAA approval. By the time they get permission (IF they get it, which can take years), construction cost will have become so expensive. How many projects in Vegas were canceled even before they got started due to rising cost. They may have to recalculate the NPV or substantially change the design to meet the budget.

And being high is not an attraction. I mean, most people get bored after 15 minutes at the top of Stratosphere. Yes, we will be high up, and then what.......??

Why don't they spend that money on something more interesting. Wynn can build a lake or a volcano and people come in droves, so be more creative !!
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Create huge lake with man made islands with mega resorts on it!
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Old April 16th, 2007, 06:20 AM   #255
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The big question is how soon LVT will be canceled.
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Perhaps people should save their energy arguing about this and wait until the May 2nd date before jumping to conclusions. Unless you work with Mr. Milam none of us can know his true intentions.

We're just here to bring you updates, regardless of how you feel about the project, there is certainly no need to blast out stupid snide answers (to my post) like "the big question is when will it get canceled" which is what you posted before you quickly edited yourself.
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Old April 16th, 2007, 06:55 AM   #256
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Agreed.
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Old April 16th, 2007, 07:17 AM   #257
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Ok I've been wanting to post about this for a while but was afraid some may call me crazy but it must be told.

Here's something really strange, this is what got me thinking about this Milam guy to this day. Not many major hotel companies, developers and such go to SSP's diagrams page first thing when coming up with a new project. No offense about it's just a building enthusiast's website such as this one.

But either Milam HIMSELF or someone under the guise of Milam (had the username cmilam) joined that board and SPECIFICALLY asked for a "picture perfect" rendering of his tower to be put on the Vegas diagrams page. Another member at SSP has already did less accurate model in which Milam or his employees requested to be removed for a better one which he requested the member who drew the diagram do, providing him with elevations of the tower and so forth. These elevations are what we also posted here in this thread and comprise the vast majority of information about this tower.

After about a few days, when the member said he couldn't get it quite exact (or something similar), one of Milam's workers posted the new rendering as seen here: See how intricate it is compared to the other renderings made by regular SSP members?

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?14014822

And after all of this, Milam disappeared from the SSP forum never to post again! If he was around we could ask him more stuff about the tower but he was outta there.

Why would he be so concerned about getting the tower diagram so accurate? On a simple urban enthusiast website? Free publicity? Who is he selling this too? it's really perplexing.

well now you know.
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Old April 16th, 2007, 10:01 AM   #258
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Not to mention the bureaucratic process they have to go through to get FAA approval. By the time they get permission (IF they get it, which can take years), construction cost will have become so expensive.
According to Tabitha Keetch, LVT's Las Vegas legal rep for zoning and permitting, it can normally take 120 days to get a decision on something like this from the FAA, not years, that's why the planning commission decision was delayed a month.
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Old April 16th, 2007, 10:03 AM   #259
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Create huge lake with man made islands with mega resorts on it!
Ha, ha, yeah, we already have Lake Mead which is man made, so now just make some islands out there shaped like Joshua trees or yucca plants and that could be our version of Palm Jumeirah
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Old April 16th, 2007, 10:17 AM   #260
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Not many major hotel companies, developers and such go to SSP's diagrams page first thing when coming up with a new project. ...
I was surprised that he posted there too and at first I couldn't believe it was him. Here's my take on it. Though you don't usually see starchitects or developers posting on these forums (except maybe annonymously), you can be assured that their PR firms track what is being said. PR firms are hired to track every news article that mentions their client, and now days they also scan internet blogs or forums. Usually they stay aloof and don't participate in these types of forums or blogs, but they are reading and gauging the public's opinion everyday.

Milam posted over there shortly after the Las Vegas Business Press interview and must have been in a publicity mood. His first post was a well scripted laundry list of all the features of the project. One of the other members said that he started the thread in the wrong section and Milam said that he was new to forums and wasn't sure exactly how they were organized but thought it was a good way to get detailed info out about the project, and then he repeated his first post in the LVT thread that somebody else started. Then he had his ad agency post the new diagram, which they did because he's the boss. I suspect that once the ad agency found out that he was posting on an internet forum that they advised him to stop doing that because internet forums aren't a very well controlled marketing venue. It doesn't look good for a developer to be conversing with people who might say that his building looks like a *****, LOL. After 8 posts he stopped.

At least that's what I think happened there.

mike_ch over on twowayhardthree.com suggested that Milam was going around creating hype about the project and that it was all a ploy to boost the value of Archon Corporation's land and that Milam never intended to buy the land and that's why the second installment has been delayed. Sort of a conspiracy theory. Personally, with all the other developments on that end of the strip I don't think they needed a conspiracy to boost the value of the land. They paid a ton of money to hire SOM and Adrian Smith and all the other planners and engineers. There are cheaper ways to market property.

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