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Old September 21st, 2007, 06:45 PM   #741
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The Crown Las Vegas site is in Winchester township, not the city of Las Vegas. On the other hand, the Stratosphere Tower is in the city of Las Vegas, and they never even got FAA approval to build that thing, but built it anyway.

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Old September 21st, 2007, 06:55 PM   #742
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Actually, the housing mess' impact on the economy peaked in the 1st quarter, though the builder's will be hurting for a while. The credit squeeze peaked last week. By March we'll be talking about a run away economy and raising interest rates again.

Besides, it takes years to build these buildings. The current economic condition is not as important as the one that is expected.
Most commercial home builders expect the housing slump to continue well into 2008, with a rebound during 2009. The markets have taken most of their hit (excepting those downstream industries that haven't been strongly impacted yet), but markets are more responsive than customer-driven industries.


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Looking at the macro economics though, the US is hurtin'. The massive debt and extremely low dollar (which continues to fall). It will hit quality of life, there is no doubt about it!
Not really. The economy would be chugging along but for this housing/credit situation. It's just in a holding pattern.

The federal debt is an issue with regards to the strength of the dollar, as always, but that's nothing new, and few workable alternatives exist (the Euro faces many of the same concerns).

For the US, an Iraq scaledown + fiscal restraint = back on track. Unless the Dems sweep Congress and the White House and jack up the tax rates.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 03:02 AM   #743
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Looking at the macro economics though, the US is hurtin'. The massive debt and extremely low dollar (which continues to fall). It will hit quality of life, there is no doubt about it!

Please tell me you are kidding because it is an extremely funny joke.

It will hit quality life???? untill there is growth (and the previsions for next year are higher than this one) it means the economy is espanding, so yhere is no space for a lower quality life. That may happen with a seriuos recession, but nobody is talking about that (maybe of a gentle recession, but they said that also after 9/11 and six years have passed).

As for the value of the dollar, it is going exactly like the goverment wanted it to go (nice and low to contrast the value of the yuan, and lower the external trade debt, thing that is happening).

And if you look at the past, big buildings have usually been built in america when the economy wasn't doing well (first example that comes to my mind is Pittsburg).

So wht you sed is totally wrong, sorry.


To go back on topic.....
Also if this building isn't going to make it, it wont be a problem, is is just the first try, many more are going to come with LV's groing economy and construction boom... and maybe with a better design (this looks too much like a missile).
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:41 AM   #744
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I also agree with you
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Old September 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #745
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1200 feet anyone? Better than 708 feet. Second article.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...566639221.html
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Old September 27th, 2007, 06:43 PM   #746
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Old September 27th, 2007, 06:44 PM   #747
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1200 feet anyone? Better than 708 feet. Second article.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...566639221.html
Well... At least is better than nothing and still tall.. (1200ft/365m)
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Building the world's tallest building three miles from McCarran International Airport no longer appears to be the goal of Texas developer Christopher Milam.
According to the Federal Aviation Administration, Milam, who has an option to acquire 27 acres south of the Sahara, is considering lowering the height of his proposed 1,888-foot resort tower to 1,200 feet. That still would top the Stratosphere, the tallest structure west of the Mississippi.
He' is considering so it's not official...
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Old September 27th, 2007, 08:23 PM   #748
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1200' Tower in Las Vegas? I rather to have 1800+' tower to be built in Las Vegas!

STUPID FAA!
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Old September 27th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #749
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when not 1800ft then no tower!
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Old September 27th, 2007, 09:34 PM   #750
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1888' wouldn't be close to being the world's tallest building anyway.
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Old September 27th, 2007, 09:40 PM   #751
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Well, after all the let downs/cancellations/negativity/bad news stirring on this forum recently, I was surprised this one didn't join the cancelled section sooner. A height reduction is still better than nothing and here's hoping for a better design too.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 09:13 PM   #752
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According to the article, he's probably not going to get away even with 1200ft. This project was never anything more than a pipe dream.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 06:00 AM   #753
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The 708 foot figure is a joke since the under construction Fontainebleau, which is even closer to the airport, will be taller than that. Also the World Jewelry Center in Union Park downtown will be over a hundred feet taller than that.

The new PBL Annual Report that just came out today says that they are still working on the design. Whether or not it maintains "supertall" status remains to be seen, but I think eventually PBL will control 100% of this project and something major will be built there.
http://pbl.com.au/pbl_annual_concise_report_2007.htm

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Old October 2nd, 2007, 05:44 AM   #754
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Looks nice...
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 06:30 AM   #755
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The 708 foot figure is a joke since the under construction Fontainebleau, which is even closer to the airport, will be taller than that. Also the World Jewelry Center in Union Park downtown will be over a hundred feet taller than that.
of course it is, and stupid beyond belief when just up the road the strat is 450ft taller than this so called imposed "height limit" OUTSIDE the designated FAA zone.

i have a funny feeling that McCarran was never the problem in the first place and even if it were located 10 miles from McCarran, the FAA but most importantly Nellis would still oppose its building.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 08:07 PM   #756
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Just received my Clark County Application Information card for the Sahara Las Vegas Corp aka Crown Las Vegas. Nothing new on the card. Still being held on October 17, 1:00PM. Still asking for 1888 feet.

4,700 condos. Man, that would be a tough sell in this market. I can just see the bankers sitting there listening to the pitch. "All we have to do is sell half of these condos and we'll have the majority of the capital..." Then again, by the time they actually need the money, our little slowdown will have most likely evaporated.
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Old October 12th, 2007, 01:49 AM   #757
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*many off topic posts deleted*

This thread is closed until further notice.
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Old October 29th, 2007, 12:06 PM   #758
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Thread reopened, reduced height.




Developer downscales tower plans


By ARNOLD M. KNIGHTLY
REVIEW-JOURNAL

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Graphic by Mike Johnson.

The dream of having the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere on the old Wet 'n Wild site fronting the Strip has apparently ended for a Texas-based developer.

The Federal Aviation Administration is reviewing a request from Christopher Milam, a partner in the proposed Crown Las Vegas project, to reduce the proposed project's planned height from the initial 1,888 feet to 1,150 feet, according to FAA spokesman Ian Gregor. Milam sent a letter formally reducing the project's proposed height on Sept. 14.

Crown Las Vegas is a partnership between Milam's Austin, Texas-based IDM Properties, Australian billionaire James Packer's Publishing and Broadcasting Ltd., and New York-based private equity firm York Capital Management.

Milam declined to comment while the process is ongoing.

The FAA issued a notice on Nov. 4 saying any structure on the site that exceeds 708 feet would pose a hazard to air traffic in the area.

Clark County does not issue a waiver to allow any structure to exceed the FAA's recommendation as a matter of policy.

The FAA was preparing a final report on the 1,888-foot tower proposal after months of gathering comments from various entities, including airlines and property owners around the site, when it received Milam's letter.

The request set off a new look at the height request even though it is for the same location. If the FAA issues a second notice of "presumed hazard," a new study could take another several months to complete.

Randall Walker, director of the Clark County Department of Aviation, said the department has met with the developer during the past year to discuss issues surrounding the project.

However, he said it would be inappropriate for the department to discuss acceptable heights with the developer because it is the FAA's role to determine acceptable height limits in areas navigation areas.

"We are not going to negotiate safety," Walker said. "Our position is that you have to file your request with the FAA."

Walker noted that every high-rise hotel on the Strip had to go through the same process as Crown Las Vegas.

Federal law requires any structure in the United States built over 200 feet has to be reviewed by the FAA.

Crown Las Vegas' proposed 1,150-foot hotel tower for the 27-acre site would still be the tallest building west of the Mississippi River and a foot taller than the Stratosphere, which is less than a mile north on Las Vegas Boulevard.

Gregor said the project's proximity to a second structure of similar height will not affect his agency's recommendation.

"Every case has to be reviewed on its unique circumstances," Gregor said. "You really can't make a boilerplate statement about the effects another tall building nearby would have on a proposal for a tall tower."

The Wet 'n Wild site is currently being leased by its owner, Archon Corp., as a construction site for the neighboring $2.8 billion Fontainebleau project.

Milam and Archon entered into an option agreement in June 2006 of $450 million for the site. The price was raised in the summer to $475 million adjusting for rising land costs.

Milam, who announced the partnership with Packer and York Capital in May, brought plans for the 1,888-foot tower before the Clark County Planning Commission in November. The commission approved the $5 billion, 5,000-unit mixed-use project for use permits and design reviews pending a FAA decision.




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Old October 29th, 2007, 12:14 PM   #759
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****!
That sux!

Not surprising though.
At least something might get built.

EDIT: this surely won't still have 142 floors, right?

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Old October 29th, 2007, 06:12 PM   #760
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this surely won't still have 142 floors, right?
Yes. 142 of these:

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