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Old May 14th, 2007, 11:22 PM   #81
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actually we had a couple of updates on the parktower here aswell, because it's just next to opernturm and it's not worth to create a separate thread

I would suggest we change the title of the thread to

FRANKFURT | OpernTurm | 170m | 44 fl | U/C | ParkTower | 115m | 29 fl | U/C


(similar to the double thread of the paris projects tour t1 and tour granite)
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Old May 14th, 2007, 11:29 PM   #82
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or so , good idea
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Old May 14th, 2007, 11:32 PM   #83
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In which Thread of the German section, ZZ-II? Parktower, or was it also Opernturm? Unfortunatly the Parktower doesn't have it's own thread, and through it's immediate vicinity, even contiguity, all updates concerning this project have more or less been dealt within this thread, just have a look a few posts before

Btw., Marin, thanks for the nice pic!

Edit: Oops, too late... Agree with your proposal, HD, good idea!
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Old May 17th, 2007, 03:54 AM   #84
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I live in Frankfurt but that tower is only boring
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Old May 17th, 2007, 06:07 PM   #85
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Nice, that you live in Frankfurt (even if I don't want to know where), but how can you judge about a tower, where nobody has a final idea of, what it will be looking like? I know that in ME steel and glas is favorized but that doesn't fit here! As there is no final render online, how do you come your conclusion???
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Old May 18th, 2007, 12:23 AM   #86
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you have to admit: it does look rather simple, when you look at the rendering.

I don't understand, why a company like tishman speyer doesn't publish some decent renderings of this project. having said that ... most towers turn out to look different than in the rendering, so it doesn't matter too much anyway.

one thing is sure - this tower will brighten up the skyline - together with the neighbouring parktower project - most towers in frankfurt are dark, or glas-clad.
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Old May 19th, 2007, 12:55 AM   #87
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Yes, I admit, from the known renders it looks boring. And it is really a shame that for such a project no actual render somehow has been presented up to now. The render on the architects site is years old and the one provided on TS home page has been revised and significantly changed at least for two, three and probably for more times. The tower has been more accentuated in its vertical appearence. Somehow this is typical for Mckler, but I am surprised regarding TS. What a pity!

Btw. some new pictures from today. The excavation works reaches its lowest level in the southwest end of the towers foundation and the tops of the ground pilings are now visible.







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Old May 19th, 2007, 01:25 AM   #88
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Great Update Cyfistill, those ground pilings are huge!
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Old May 19th, 2007, 02:40 AM   #89
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Nice update I will surely check in on this more often!
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Old May 19th, 2007, 11:13 AM   #90
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great pics, thx
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Old May 20th, 2007, 09:40 PM   #91
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the construction site looks like a mess - on CYstillFI's pics it looks like the lowrise element will rise first.

about the parktower: on marin's pic in post #90 it looks as if the tower hasn't topped out yet - is it possible that construction somehow slowed down recently? why does it take so long to finish it?
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Old May 20th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #92
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Parktower hasn't topped out yet. There are still some Meters to go, even the middle part, as seen on Marin's pic, has not its final height. The only explanation I have is that the floorplan has changed for the top part.

Regarding the low rises of the Opernturm, I don't think that this one will rise first. The former ground plate of Zrich led to some delay, but I'm pretty sure, not for such a significant one. It is planned to be on street level with entire structure by August this year. From there we will see the tower rising by one level each week. So, keep confident!

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Old May 22nd, 2007, 10:11 PM   #93
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On a German engineers news site bauingenieur24.de an article was published on 18th of May regarding the main developer/contracter Ed. Zblin AG which signed for building the entire tower. And finally, what a surprise, there was also a new render/visualization available.

Here a comparism between the one presented July 2006 and the new one:


Pic's: Mckler Architekten, Ed. Zblin AG
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 10:27 PM   #94
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Thankyou, looks much better now, looks even higher after pointing out the vertical lines in the design, very good.
Even the lowrises look better now, i guess they will look like the torhaus westhafen when talking about the facade:
http://www.chm.de/de/torhaus.html

The excavation pit is huge! meanwhile as i could see today...

great progress!
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 10:33 PM   #95
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agree, the new one looks better
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 10:35 PM   #96
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I second that.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 06:57 PM   #97
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Parktower Update, still 1 or 2 floors...but now its going fast:





Opernturm:
Also, the webcam ist now active, visit: http://www.opernturm.com/swf/ and click on webcam or http://opernturm.dnsalias.net/cgi-bin/guestimage.html
Nice direct niew from the neighboring BHF Tower.



And again this year they refurnished the unused upper deck of a parking lot to a beach area with amazing views of the skyline:


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Old May 23rd, 2007, 07:25 PM   #98
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Great, that you retrieved your camera, newfvgffm, I was already worrying. Nice to see the pictures from Maintower, especially regarding the Parktower it doesn't make sense at present to give updates from the ground.

Since today there is also a webcam active with up to 3 fps which is obviously installed on the top of the BHF-Turm --> Opernturm WebCam.

Since the late afternoon there is a concrete pump active preparing a clean basis for the imminent reinforcement works for the foundation slab. It is really speeding up now...
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 08:57 PM   #99
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I like the new version. I'm still missing larger detailed renderings though.

I hope the parktower will soon top out and the cladding becomes visible.

it's great to see that there is a webcam for this project. it will be amazing to see the opernturm rising - you can hardly imagine that opernturm will be almost twice as high as the location of the webcam.

is that "citybeach" again on the last pic?
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 09:59 PM   #100
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Its so sad that the Developer Tishman Speyer does not release proper Renderings, even on the architects site is still shown the old model for zurich insurance. Pretty bad PR in my opinion.
I am sure they have other renderings, they just are not releasing them, even on the Homepage of the project is not a single rendering...

With frankfurthochvier its the same shame...no proper renderings for the public, bad webseite, bad PR.

Yes BMXican, i Guess its called citybeach, looed quite fine, at least from the air...
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