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Old August 4th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #3321
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Btw, the core setback must be happening really soon.
I imagine they're working on it (they seem to be stuck around 36-37 for quite a while now) - but we can't see it until the climbing system and black canvas move up to 2 floors above the setback.
On the cams the floorplates already look pretty narrow:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=456410
and they're going to get a lot narrower as they go up.
I read the incline is 6 degrees from the vertical. If I was any good at trigonometry I'd be able to figure out how much narrower the building gets for each 10 metres it climbs. Anyone care to do the maths?

And has anyone found a site that has more floorplans?
Somebody posted 2 (from near the top given how narrow it is) back on page 61:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...418897&page=61
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Old August 4th, 2010, 02:46 PM   #3322
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Great updates everyone!
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Old August 4th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #3323
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I read the incline is 6 degrees from the vertical. If I was any good at trigonometry I'd be able to figure out how much narrower the building gets for each 10 metres it climbs. Anyone care to do the maths?
Perhaps Culwulla could confirm this, since his diagram is fairly accurate.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 05:11 PM   #3324
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Clearly visible from the train coming out of Victoria.

I was going to get a picture but didnt get the phone out in time on the way in to Victoria then sat on the wrong side of the train going home
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Old August 4th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #3325
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I am really enjoying seeing the pictures of this building going up, Thank you for sharing them. The glass is phenomenally smooth.

I do kinda feel that is is a little shame that the building is not going to be as tall as the Empire State Building in New York City (1453 ft including comms tower on roof, 1250 ft at the 102nd floor) I think surpassing that height and amount of floors will be the next big step for London, but maybe a little belated. Maybe we will see that within the next 20 years as London is beginning to go more upwards rather than outwards.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:23 PM   #3326
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why are there 2 threads for the shard?
here is the other one
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:38 PM   #3327
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why are there 2 threads for the shard?
here is the other one
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549
International supertall forum and local UK construction forum

Totally standard for major projects on ssc to have 2 separate threads in separate sections... Only just realised?!
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #3328
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Won't they have to take down the current slip form or at least on two of the sides before it can start moving up again?
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #3329
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why are there 2 threads for the shard?
here is the other one
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549
Well spotted
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Old August 4th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #3330
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International supertall forum and local UK construction forum

Only just realised?!


To be honest Supertall they’re pretty much the same. The only major difference is where you find them. I added the ‘Threads Tagged with london’ http://www.skyscrapercity.com/tags.php?tag=london to my favourites list and just mainly work off that. Much easier to access both the Shard threads plus all the other London ones.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #3331
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I read the incline is 6 degrees from the vertical. If I was any good at trigonometry I'd be able to figure out how much narrower the building gets for each 10 metres it climbs. Anyone care to do the maths?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...418897&page=61
Well, if i remember how to do maths then If i draw a triangle with a height of 10cm and an angle of 6 degrees at the top, the width of the triangle should be how much narrower it gets.

Anyway, I won't bore you with the trigonometry, I worked it out to be 1.05m. Does that sound about right?
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Old August 4th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #3332
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Old August 4th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #3333
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yep, 1.05m
(1.05m = 10m * tan(6 degrees))
using this method, and assuming a point on the top, the base is 65m wide (it would actually be wider).

that glass sure is very flat!
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Old August 5th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #3334
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I am really enjoying seeing the pictures of this building going up, Thank you for sharing them. The glass is phenomenally smooth.

I do kinda feel that is is a little shame that the building is not going to be as tall as the Empire State Building in New York City (1453 ft including comms tower on roof, 1250 ft at the 102nd floor) I think surpassing that height and amount of floors will be the next big step for London, but maybe a little belated. Maybe we will see that within the next 20 years as London is beginning to go more upwards rather than outwards.
Prince Charles or some other busy-body will surely object (if it's built near the centre of London). The reason in fact that Canary Wharf and the surrounding Docklands area was redeveloped in the late 80s was because of all the objections (and lack of space) for any kind of new office development in London. Lots of people claim views of St Pauls from Hyde Park and views of X from X as sacred - so blocking development in most places. I think this Shard was delayed more than 5 years because of these kind of problmes... there's always problems like this with planning in the UK! That's why the UK has so few wind turbines compared with Denmark, Germany, Portugal, etc. The UK is at about 2% of energy from wind - while the above countries are between 10-15%. The UK only leads the way in more expensive offshore wind - luckily we're an island... but I digress!
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Old August 5th, 2010, 02:57 PM   #3335
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I see on the webcam that the construction lift girders have got taller - there's 2 prongs that have risen up above that black climbing formwork... based on past history this seems to happen before the formwork rises. So maybe in a few days we'll see the core setback. From a pic I saw on the other thread (god knows why we have 2 threads!) I think the only side that won't setback is the side with the construction lifts - which of course would make sense!
I imagine those lifts don't go from the formwork all the way to the ground - they must remove the bottom bit each time they pour a new floor. Is that right?
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Old August 6th, 2010, 12:25 AM   #3336
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Has the 'baby core' topped out?
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Old August 6th, 2010, 01:04 AM   #3337
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Here's what the top looked like on August 3rd:

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Old August 6th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #3338
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Some images from yesterday. Customary pointer to my Shard Gallery for more photos not posted here.

BTW, as I've just upgraded my server, I'm interested to know if it's made any difference to the speed my pics come up as there have been comments about sluggishness in the past.

North side crane tie-back




NW corner glazing




Fitting a glazing panel at the NW corner




SW corner from the pedestrian bridge




Development of the 'wing' adjacent to the hoist on St Thomas Street






Fitting a corner glazing panel above Gate 2





New steel between the main building and the backpack by Gate 2




A pretty photo of some cranes, just because...




Secondary core topped out








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Old August 6th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #3339
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Is it even halfway up yet? It going to be a monster that will contrast so nicely with tower bridge...and for once it might bring tourists flocking to the southbank! Ah so glad this is going up after all these years of uncertainty... And god that Glass is quality!! This really is going to be the Empire State Building of London... I personally think the only more important project for it's city being built now to rival this is the WTC... this iis just a massive breakthrough for London!!!! Unbelievable
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Old August 6th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #3340
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I posted this on the other thread... but as people were asking here about when the core will setback I thought it deserved posting here too!...




If you look at this image. In section 3. On the corner facing us, left edge you will see the last 4 levels (at full width) have holes for entry to the lift block. On the right side are 2 gaps.
These correspond exactly with the photos of the last 2 floors of the core that are visible now.
This is DEFINITELY the last floors of the core at full size visible now! As soon as the formwork goes up we'll see the thinner core.

Compare it with this photo from flicker - and all the funny holes match exactly:
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I'm sure that diagram is super-accurate based on this - and we're going to see the core setback on 3 sides at the next floor... from Guy's tower where this is taken - the only floor that won't setback is the one facing the river! Do folks agree?
FYI - The mini tower is definately in the bottom right corner of this photo (just below camera and below the crane) - so that lines up correct too
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