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Old August 13th, 2007, 12:29 AM   #361
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Can we *please* stop mentioning the Russia Tower.

Every time this happens, the thread turns into a flamewar.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 01:58 AM   #362
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Apo-lolo-gies on my part.

But I couldn't resist.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 08:10 AM   #363
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im not getting at chicago, or anywhere else here for that matter. its just a question of budget and economics. in london where we have had an apartment sell for 200 million dollars and office space going for thousands of dollars per square metre per year the sheer sums on offer are pretty vast.
the more money you can charge per square foot the more money you can spend per square foot on design. the very top whack buildings proposed for london really have no competitors around the world as there's so much money sloshing around. there's not many towers proposed in london of this class - probably four - but they are of the quality of buildings like HSBC headquarters in hong kong.
an example of this is the trump world tower in new york which cost 300 million dollars. the leadenhall building, 150 feet shorter and over 150,000 square feet smaller is costing over twice as much just on construction. this excludes the design phase which was included in the trump tower budget. one of the things this extra money stretches to, is of course some of the best materials you can get your hands on. they can do this because they can charge perhaps £50 per square foot for space compared to a mere £14 per square foot in the trump world tower.
maybe in 20 or 30 years time then the money will have swung somewhere else but right now the city of london is like the hanseng in the 80s and just like 80s hong kong, one of the ways this money is manifesting itself is in a veritable construction glut with the crown jewels like the shard set to literally gleam as bright as diamonds.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 10:45 AM   #364
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This tower needs to get built.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 08:34 PM   #365
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Scaffolding has begun climbing Southwark Towers. The crane is ready to be erected outside.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 09:56 PM   #366
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is it better for london to remain low rise? for the beauty of the old castles there? but of cos, its beautiful futuristic
yeah London is just a whole load of castles


90% of people actually live in castles
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Old August 13th, 2007, 11:26 PM   #367
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how wide will it be at the base.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 01:40 AM   #368
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So is this project going to be constructed? Or is this unknown so far?
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Old August 14th, 2007, 01:59 AM   #369
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omg its so beautiful!
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Old August 14th, 2007, 02:18 AM   #370
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So is this project going to be constructed? Or is this unknown so far?
There are some funding issues. We'll know for sure in about 4-6 weeks.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 02:23 AM   #371
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There are some funding issues. We'll know for sure in about 4-6 weeks.
All right, thank you.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #372
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how close to the thames will it be.
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Old August 15th, 2007, 06:54 AM   #373
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you can find it here -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/maps.php?b=46
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Old August 15th, 2007, 09:26 PM   #374
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thanks for the map i thought st thomas was nearer the london eye.
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Old August 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM   #375
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it is. you have st thomas road mixed up with st thomas hospital
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/maps.php?b=2334
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Old August 15th, 2007, 11:12 PM   #376
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thanks for putting me right.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 12:37 PM   #377
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Construction News magazine -

Hollandia, Cleveland Bridge and a Belgium firm are bidding for the the Shard's £30m steel contract which will see the firm install 12,000 tons of the material.

PC Harrington and O'Rouke are bidding for the £20m concrete contract to build the property's core.

A dutch firm going by the name of Schalaflamburgonblah are in negotiations for a pre-construction contract worth £50m to provide the cladding .

Bids are to submitted over the next month with the winners chosen by the end of the year.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #378
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This thread isn't about London being the capital of the world though, it is about The Shard. Maybe people are just sick of explaining every day why London should not be confined to a lowrise city. When you have to explain something all the damn time, sarcasm begins to take the place of a regular argument.

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Construction News magazine -

Hollandia, Cleveland Bridge and a Belgium firm are bidding for the the Shard's £30m steel contract which will see the firm install 12,000 tons of the material.

PC Harrington and O'Rouke are bidding for the £20m concrete contract to build the property's core.

A dutch firm going by the name of Schalaflamburgonblah are in negotiations for a pre-construction contract worth £50m to provide the cladding .

Bids are to submitted over the next month with the winners chosen by the end of the year.
Great news Will, good to see this excellent proposal moving forward it will trully set a new standard of graceful, soaring and classy architecture for Europe.

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Old August 17th, 2007, 01:44 AM   #379
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This thread isn't about London being the capital of the world though, it is about The Shard. Maybe people are just sick of explaining every day why London should not be confined to a lowrise city. When you have to explain something all the damn time, sarcasm begins to take the place of a regular argument.

Fair point but on the other hand, whether it's here or in other threads, very often someone comes up witht this reprimanding "warning": it's off the subject!
OK but every now and then, a debate seems to pop up about this or that and I think it's a damn shame to just cut it short because "this is not the right thread for it!" Well I'm sorry, but especially in the case of this particular thread (that damn tower it taking forever to even be approved), I think and say it's quite a change to have something else to type or read than 'great tower!', 'will it get built (one day before I die _ I should add)?'

SO!

After living 5 years in the South West of London, I can confirm that not everyone in London dwells in a castle indeed; yes London is a somewhat modern metropol where high rises have a right to exist; but, in my humble opinion, London is also an architectural mess where it is very possible to find lined up in one street next to each other... a beauty from the Victorian ages, a piece of modern genius (Swiss RE for ex) and a lousy dirty smelly kebab shop.
Although of course there are distinct neighborhoods and districts with different specificities each , this multiculturalism, multi ethny, multi-whatever you want, is what quite a few people love about London. It's a great place to live in for many reasons... but I think it's messy; and the skyline translates it quite well I believe. That's my opinion.

I'm sure the Londoners will have a couple of scathing words for me after this message but I do hope it enlightens slightly the person who seemed to think earlier in that thread that London was only a bunch of red brick cottages with Buckingham in the middle.

Good night people!
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Old August 17th, 2007, 03:44 AM   #380
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