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Old October 19th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #4181
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Well what? I wouldn't go and comment on how they should have built CERN when I have no idea about particle physics... If you don't understand the factors involved in the design of a building and why certain things are the way they are then isn't it pretty stupid to comment on why you think 'they should have made the glazing bars thinner' and how the blinds in the bits that stick out are stupid?

And i'm not saying you have to be an expert... Just at least try to think why it might be the way it is or understand that there might be a good reason for the way it is...
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Old October 19th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #4182
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You don't have to be a chicken to know an egg is bad (That's a joke)

The Millenium Bridge and Portcullis House are two examples of projects designed by professionals and needed millions spent to put them right.

Maybe it's just the phrasing that's at issue such as 'I wonder why they.........' instead of 'they should have.......'.
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Old October 19th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #4183
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Old October 20th, 2010, 01:35 AM   #4184
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180m - so you weren't far off. Then Tower 42 is 183.
been a month,.time for update. i think its right?

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Old October 20th, 2010, 12:51 PM   #4185
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I really appreciate the diagrams Culwulla (the shard diagram has been my desktop from the start), I'd say it was spot on this month.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #4186
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Well what? I wouldn't go and comment on how they should have built CERN when I have no idea about particle physics... If you don't understand the factors involved in the design of a building and why certain things are the way they are then isn't it pretty stupid to comment on why you think 'they should have made the glazing bars thinner' and how the blinds in the bits that stick out are stupid?

And i'm not saying you have to be an expert... Just at least try to think why it might be the way it is or understand that there might be a good reason for the way it is...
I think what Googled was refering to is the amount of redundant glazing purely for aesthetic reasons. And with a diminishing floor plate as you go up, the functionality and carbon footprint of this building is almost as bad as the Pinnicle. Yes we have a building that looks great, but for what cost. This relentless persuit to satisfy egos seems too crass and wastefull for the London admired by many. It seems we still have a long way to go before sustainability is taken seriously. The existance of this forum is testament to that.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 04:27 PM   #4187
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Hmm I think you are being far too short-sighted just for the sake of it. What is sustainable? Without culling the human population and returning to a semi-nomadic life, a key fact of being sustainable is in fact dense living... ie being urban.

Dense urbanity allows us to keep areas of natural wilderness and areas for food production and well managed urbanity creates an environment where it is practical and even economical to manage energy consumption and waste en masse.

Buildings are the highest consumers of energy especially in the construction phase but the trade off comes with a well built and well managed building over its lifespan, the well positioned building also harnesses the sustainability of mass transport where transport is the 2nd consumer of energy, here is the seeming paradox of the well designed, well positioned 'skyscraper'.

It would be strange to deny the human population its basic requirement of shelter just because you can not imagine the obvious benefits of a well designed and well managed building? The Shard for example is very energy efficient and sits upon a very important Transport node where it will be able to shelter many people, far more than the previous concrete building. All the basic materials of buildings are recyclable and in turn hopefully transportation or raw materials and construction machinery can be electrified and powered by renewables.

The point of architectural flair is more nuanced, is it ego? Is it vanity? Is it art? Different buildings will turn out in different hues. The Shard is hardly a whacky design; it is shaped and faceted with great attention to detail so that it is not thought of as a blot on the landscape. It is an attempt to beautify the urban landscape with a size of building that is impossible to just hide.

So we want people to live together densely, we want people to be happy in such a crowded environment, let us then celebrate buildings such as the Shard as it brings beauty back to being urban which during its industrial and post-industrial phase was a word dragged in the dirt and echoed thoughts of decay, while the population escaped and sprawled in unsustainable suburban environments and even turned the countryside, the village, the isolated habitat, into the faux-rural, an extended completely inefficient urban arm.

Your contempt is dangerously aimed at the wrong target.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #4188
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Thanks for the diagram Culwulla, I was sure it was already over 180 metres.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 08:27 PM   #4189
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from anthonyfalla on Flickr. Shard peeking out above the London 2012 velodrome.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #4190
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from anthonyfalla on Flickr. Shard peeking out above the London 2012 velodrome.
Nice shots, at the end + for London skyline
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Old October 20th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #4191
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That's one of the dumbest pronouncements I have ever read.
Don't comment or have an opinion unless you're an expert. [IMG]http://i54.************/287lu8w.jpg[/IMG]
Glad to see that arrogance and a sense of superiority is still an integral part of architectural education though. Thankfully, 10 years of designing window frames usually bashes it out of them...
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Old October 20th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #4192
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #4193
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Culwulla - the developers have helpfully put 191 (which iI presume to be metres) at the 54 floor mark if that is any help for you on my second pic.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 12:42 AM   #4194
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Old October 21st, 2010, 02:14 AM   #4195
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is London Bridge station getting a revamp as well, because its a pile of shit at the moment
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Old October 21st, 2010, 11:40 AM   #4196
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is London Bridge station getting a revamp as well, because its a pile of shit at the moment
Yes it is. Some detail in this recent post from the UK forum Shard thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=13878
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Old October 21st, 2010, 12:44 PM   #4197
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A few from this sunny Thursday morning

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Some nice plants

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Old October 21st, 2010, 04:26 PM   #4198
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Some photys from yesterday, together with the usual note that more can be found in my Shard Gallery.


Druid Street



St Thomas Street






Backpack steel frame



and ground level concrete behind Gate 3



I noticed a super tie has been attached to the Backpack's core




South and west side glazing








From Guy's courtyard




and the far end of St Thomas Street

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Old October 21st, 2010, 06:06 PM   #4199
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If this building were in Dubai, we would not pay attention on it
....why bother even saying this if its not in dubai?
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Old October 21st, 2010, 07:20 PM   #4200
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Muy linda la torre, el diseño es genial pero todavía no entiendo esas estructuras de acero sin hormigón.
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