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Old November 21st, 2010, 09:43 PM   #4561
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There's another core setback if I'm not mistaken.
Isn't it the case that the core has now reached it's full height? As CULWULLA's image showed, at the 67th floor it goes from concrete to metal further up.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 09:57 PM   #4562
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Great news today: the demolition work to make way for the 337m (1,106 ft) Hermitage Towers will start on January 3, 2011. It's the start of a new era for La Défense and Paris!

Look at the above from the Paris forums :S erm......oh shit?!!
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Old November 21st, 2010, 09:58 PM   #4563
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Great news today: the demolition work to make way for the 337m (1,106 ft) Hermitage Towers will start on January 3, 2011. It's the start of a new era for La Défense and Paris!

Look at the above from the Paris forums :S erm......oh shit?!!
realllly loving hte pictures in this thread...used some of them for background on my desktop
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Old November 21st, 2010, 09:59 PM   #4564
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We in London really will have to find somewhere in the future where flight paths do not allow the Shard to be the tallest structure forever more! I suspect this may take decades if it happens at all, which although I'm in love with the Shard is seriously disappointing with Paris and Frankfurt purely in tall buildings terms!
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Old November 21st, 2010, 10:02 PM   #4565
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realllly loving hte pictures in this thread...used some of them for background on my desktop
I'm glad you enjoyed those pics; they were undeniably good! I am personally gutted though we have nothing waiting in the wings in London to better La Defenses plans. I went over to Paris last month and saw the masterplan model with all the buildings in place and it is truly awesome for a European city and will definitely be the number 1 skyscraper destination in the EU for some time to come when this goes up.

So annoyed!!!!!
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Old November 21st, 2010, 10:08 PM   #4566
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I'm glad you enjoyed those pics; they were undeniably good! I am personally gutted though we have nothing waiting in the wings in London to better La Defenses plans. I went over to Paris last month and saw the masterplan model with all the buildings in place and it is truly awesome for a European city and will definitely be the number 1 skyscraper destination in the EU for some time to come when this goes up.
Is the Shard going to be taller than Eiffel Tower when it is completed?
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Old November 21st, 2010, 10:13 PM   #4567
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By roof height yes, just. But all that becomes academic when Paris puts up these monoliths! So annoyed. I really did think these would be several years away and the mass on the skyline means they will look absolutely HUGE!!!!
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Old November 21st, 2010, 10:34 PM   #4568
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Isn't it the case that the core has now reached it's full height? As CULWULLA's image showed, at the 67th floor it goes from concrete to metal further up.
not yet the core tops out at level 72 then above that it is steel for the spire
should be the united kingdoms tallest skyscraper by mid week
also looking at the diagram of the core there is another small set back at the very top.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 11:11 PM   #4569
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Cool Update !! Go Ahead London !!!
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Old November 21st, 2010, 11:13 PM   #4570
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Great news today: the demolition work to make way for the 337m (1,106 ft) Hermitage Towers will start on January 3, 2011. It's the start of a new era for La Défense and Paris!

Look at the above from the Paris forums :S erm......oh shit?!!
Personally I'm excited about the Hermitage Towers - they're brilliant. If you really want to be patriotic then just be pleased there's a British architect behind them, lol.

But really, enough of this height comparison rubbish. It's what gives us enthusiasts a bad name!

The Shard doesn't need to be taller. Aesthetically it's the right height, and because it's a fairly inefficient layout there would be little gain from it being taller.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 11:28 PM   #4571
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It's not so much the height comparison that concerns me in this one building, more the future. If Paris has supertalls 'ready to go' without bureaucratic delay then where will London's future office space go? If we have no-where to build upwards because NIMBY's moan all the time I worry for the long-term. However I realise that's very simplistic considering London's position and they'll always find a way. I'm just a little disappointed that way won't include anything more going up taller than LBT at any time in the future, full stop, that's all.

Anyway, how the hell can those behind this scheme afford to build this given returns required when London worrys about filling 1 tower of 700ft or so for example?!! Two 1,100ft towers? You know if that was even on the table over here, those doing it would be like 'where will we find the tenants for that!'
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 12:32 AM   #4572
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When the core tops out and the flooring and cladding is all done, there won't be much to see from the outside. They will start on the internal work and that's quite boring for us.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:08 AM   #4573
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Is the Shard going to be taller than Eiffel Tower when it is completed?
Here is your answer.

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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:20 AM   #4574
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J'adore et merci à la crise des années 90 sinon ,il avait la tour de notre Jean Nouvel .La tour sans fin à 425 M et le point le plus haut pour le public se trouvait à 400M
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:40 AM   #4575
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Anyway, how the hell can those behind this scheme afford to build this given returns required when London worrys about filling 1 tower of 700ft or so for example?!! Two 1,100ft towers? You know if that was even on the table over here, those doing it would be like 'where will we find the tenants for that!'
That's because the Hermitage Towers will mostly contain luxury appartments, not offices (there will be some offices, but they will occupy less than 30% of the towers). The people who'll buy these luxury apartments will probably be rich Russians and Arabs (God knows there's no shortage of rich Gulf Arabs in Paris at the moment... the Champs-Elysées have literally become an annex of Doha and Abu Dhabi in the past 5 years), with perhaps the odd wealthy Frenchman or Westerner.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:49 AM   #4576
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 04:39 AM   #4577
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I know I'm going to get shot down here but....I really think London Bridge Tower (if it weren't for CAA regulations) should have been 100ft taller! Oh well, I'm a little lost as to what to make of our high rise boom underway now, not because I don't support it but because I feel a bit crap about LBT being the absolute limit forever (or at least in my lifetime!). Sorry if that sounds unpatriotic or anything because I'm far from it. Can't help thinking as the years go by it'll show against other cities and we'll seem a bit like a 'tried but couldn't quite make it with the biggest in Europe' kind of skyline!! :S

Maybe I'm having a negative evening but suddenly lost the wind in my sails that I was quite excited about previously. I know a lot of you might not agree but I really do think if we have high-rises at all we're going to end up with a tabletop skyline in the highrise areas over time as there'll be no space to go upwards for aesthetic 'stepping' if you like of the heights. Most will be 6-750 ft with Pinnacle and LBT peaking above that in a tapering manner.

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Who cares if they're building taller buildings in Paris and what does it have to do with the Shard? The Shard is - I think - one of the most beautiful buildings under construction, anywhere, with a pretty good height to ratio aesthetic. If the Hermitage Towers happen to add to Paris' great architectural landscape - good for Paris.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:49 AM   #4579
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"Shard" has really become a trade name.
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