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Old January 17th, 2008, 12:02 AM   #621
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Ueah, you should unite and fight against Moscow together
Moscow is in Europe

With the supertalls of UK / FR and RU we can compete with US and China
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Old January 17th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #622
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anyone have a idea on what a 1bd would cost here?

Im guessing 750k us?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:06 PM   #623
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Moscow is in Europe

With the supertalls of UK / FR and RU we can compete with US and China
So Europe's (maybe) 4 vs the hundreds of the US and China? Dreaming I think.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #624
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Who gives a damn? I don't. Europe doesn't have to compete in the height stakes.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #625
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In my mind, Europe has some of the best skylines in the world without supertalls
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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #626
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #627
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So Europe's (maybe) 4 vs the hundreds of the US and China? Dreaming I think.
Well, there are four supertalls and one ultratall u/c in Moscow. Less then in China, of course, but for Europe it is something.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:21 PM   #628
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i think Europe is very beautiful for its historical buildings =)
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Old January 18th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #629
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If Wembley Tower been competed in the 1890's, London would have had the first Supertall in the world!
Wouldn`t that be something like the Eifel Tower?

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BTW according to SSP Dubai has 76 skyscrapers (inc 4 supertalls) built and 101 U/C (inc 18 supertalls) - where did you get the 295 number from?
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http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100485
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Old January 18th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #630
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Times article relating to Halabi selling his share of the Shard project:


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3207071.ece





January 18, 2008

Leading UK property developer Simon Halabi
to abandon Shard of Glass project


James Rossiter, Property Correspondent

Simon Halabi, one of Britain's wealthiest property tycoons, is poised to sell his one-third stake in the troubled Shard of Glass skyscraper.

Qatari investment funds are understood to have agreed to pay about £30million cash for Mr Halabi's stake in the site over London Bridge station, where there are plans for a 310m (1,016ft) skyscraper and adjoining low-rise glass edifice that could in total be worth £1.4 billion if built and fully let.

The final terms of Mr Halabi's sale are expected to be similar to those of a deal struck last week between the same Qatari funds to buy another one-third stake in the Shard scheme from CLS Holdings, a quoted property company that was forced to book a £25 million loss on its investment.

CLS's last gross value for its one-third stake in the Shard was £131 million, based on a June market estimation.

However, Mr Halabi, a reclusive Syrian-born private investor, is likely to have kept his investment in the scheme at cost.

His family trust is thought to have invested about £10.5 million to buy his one-third stake in the scheme, but it would have been liable for finance costs and advisory fees to keep the project alive.

Mr Halabi is sitting on losses of up to £150 million after buying the Esporta fitness chain last year, only for Société Générale, his main bank lender for the purchase, to put the holding company into administration. The Qatari funds buying into the Shard are thought to be fronted by QInvest, a Doha-based Islamic bank that was formed last year with backing from Gulf Finance House.

The new Qatari owners are expected to draw up a deal with Sellar Property Group, the privately owned British developer, which will give each side equal control over the venture but leave Sellar in charge of the project development.

New ownership of the planned Shard and adjoining New London Bridge House may kick-start construction.

The Times revealed that site clearance work to start building was halted in September as the owners struggled to raise finance and CLS and Mr Halabi started talks to try to exit the project.

The Shard was scheduled to be completed in 2011, but the timetable was put back last summer to at least 2012 as the credit crunch set in.

A five-year development loan of about £350 million is needed to get the project off the ground.

However, concerns are growing that the City is set to be hit by a glut of built but unlet property over the next four years.

Even so, developers are expected to build about eight million sqft of City offices between 2008 and 2012.

This will be about 50 per cent more than the amount of space completed over the preceding four-year period, according to figures that were published yesterday by Atisreal, the real estate property consultants.

They predict that City rents are in line to fall 5 per cent this year and next, rising only 3 per cent between 2011 and 2012.

Thanks to Black Cat in the London forums for this.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #631
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Wouldn`t that be something like the Eifel Tower?



From here
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100485
Yes Wembley Tower, also called Watkin's Folly, was intended to outdo Eiffel's Tower.

Emporis says Dubai has 36 built skyscrapers (150m or above) including 4 supertalls, surely that can't be right?

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Times article relating to Halabi selling his share of the Shard project:
Seems to be bad and good news. Is there a smiley for that?
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Old January 18th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #632
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Almost there...

http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?...de=3104061&c=0

It is understood that Mace is on the verge of two other significant contract appointments in the capital. Sources close to the Shard, at London Bridge, said that the £350m Sellar Properties development was “on the brink of securing funding” this week. He said Mace would be appointed to build it on a fixed-price contract “imminently”.

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Old January 20th, 2008, 05:37 PM   #633
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If this isn't ready for the 2012 Olympics >
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Old January 20th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #634
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it will definitely not be ready in 2012
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Old January 20th, 2008, 06:56 PM   #635
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it will definitely not be ready in 2012
Oh, really?

http://www.shardlondonbridge.com/tim..._programme.php
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Old January 20th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #636
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i saw that already . but they've only 4 years. and that's a supertall! demolishing the old building, clear the site, build the foundation, top out and finishing the whole tower....can't imagine they can do it in 4 years. but we'll see , time will tell us
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:02 PM   #637
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In my mind, Europe has some of the best skylines in the world without supertalls

I agree with you!
Chinese people, at least the people in Nanjing as i know,love european cities because european protect their old cities very well.
Skyscrapers can be built everywhere only depend on money but historical buildings and museums are unique and they can not be copied.

Anyway, I am happy for London for this new supertall and waiting for more supertalls be built in London(not too much, but every supertall should be elegant).

London is my favorite city
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Old January 20th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #638
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i saw that already . but they've only 4 years. and that's a supertall! demolishing the old building, clear the site, build the foundation, top out and finishing the whole tower....can't imagine they can do it in 4 years. but we'll see , time will tell us
I just hope that it will be topped out with cladding AT LEAST by the olympics, London needs to show of it's skyline by then and this will really boost it.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 08:00 PM   #639
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agreed
If the shard isn't done, at least we'll still have some other new additions to the skyline
lets be optimistic!
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Old January 21st, 2008, 08:04 PM   #640
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Nice design, can't wait until it is finished i'm going to London with school in April
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