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Old May 5th, 2011, 07:34 PM   #6561
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And great pic Porto, very post-apocalypse!

Ive always hated the Trellick tower...
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Old May 5th, 2011, 07:47 PM   #6562
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what on earth is the cucumber???
Sorry for posting this irrelevant picture in this forum, just want to show what Cucumber tower is

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Old May 5th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #6563
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Old May 5th, 2011, 08:16 PM   #6564
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Oh you mean the proposal down doon street...
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The Shard, which at 310m (1,017ft) will be Europe's tallest building, has been the focus of agonised reflection as it takes shape, in advance of its completion next year. Is it too big? Is it too ugly? Does it interfere with protected views across London?

But critics' worries about how the skyscraper will affect the view of St Paul's Cathedral from their favourite bench on Primrose Hill don't mean much to the people of Bermondsey. The Shard is about to bring transformational change to the area, unimaginable a decade ago, and will decisively push the tide of gentrification southwards, away from the river towards the heart of Bermondsey.

No single building will have had such a significant effect on a London neighbourhood since 1 Canada Square landed in Docklands in 1991, and the Shard effect will arguably beat even that because of its proximity to London's most central ungentrified residential neighbourhoods of Bermondsey and Elephant and Castle.

The Shard's influence already extends beyond the boundaries of its site, and Southwark council is bullish about making Bermondsey what Fiona Colley, council cabinet member for regeneration, calls "London's third business district", after the City and the West End. It is not the first to try this brand on for size (the last one I remember was Croydon), but there are several developments beyond the Shard itself that make it feel possible.

The Shard's little brother, The Place, also to be built by Shard developer Sellar Properties, will contain 40,000 sq uare metres of office space. The £120 million building, designed by Renzo Piano, architect of the Shard, will create a new public plaza and bus terminal between itself and London Bridge station. The £700 million redevelopment of the station itself has just been announced by Network Rail and will see a radical transformation of the listed terminus, masterminded by WSP and architect Grimshaw (who designed Waterloo's now defunct international terminal). Guy's Hospital has announced the recladding of its concrete tower that sits just to the south of the Shard, and multiple developments are proposed for St Thomas' Street, Bermondsey Street, and further south towards the Elephant. All this during a recession in the property industry.

James Sellar, CEO of Sellar Properties, is aware of the effect of his brainchild: "It is not just what we're delivering now but what we're opening up. In the London Bridge quarter we are trying to create a cosmopolitan area, which means getting the balance right between mixed-use buildings and local character."

So what will the area look like in five years? The view from the Shard's supporters is pretty clear.

The streets will be full of shops, the place will be more fashionable, more disposable income will be extracted from the office workers at the More London office development and the Shard, and the transformation of the station will make it a more pleasant place to commute through. Local people in Bermondsey will benefit, say Sellar Properties and the council, from new jobs in facilities management and the hotel industry.

In terms of the physical effect, it will be St Thomas' Street that changes most. This is the street where the south face of the Shard comes to ground, and is today the boundary between the brave new world of City Hall and More London by the river, and the hinterland of Bermondsey that is dominated by social housing. The "skirts" of the Shard will hang over the street at the tower's base, and the reception area for the hotel and restaurants will be located here. Escalators will take travellers up to the new bus station and the first-floor concourse level of the station.

Walking further east along St Thomas' Street you will reach the 1830s polychrome brick arches of the original viaduct but now with glass openings to a new ground-level route through to Tooley Street. This internal link will contain around 100,000 sq ft of shopping (comparable in size to the mall at St Pancras International) and a bank of escalators taking passengers up to platform level.

Further along St Thomas' Street will be a motley assortment of residential buildings, some with architectural ambition, others with mere pretension. Many of these will be taller than anything now in Bermondsey. The first, called The Quill, already has planning permission despite harsh criticism of its design from the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment. The question for Southwark council will be whether this and the other buildings emerging on St Thomas' Street will offer anything more at ground level than space for a cheap supermarket.

Some of the railway arches further along the viaduct will eventually be occupied with cafés and shops. Press further south and you'll find the Bermondsey Street conservation area more or less as it is today, complemented by Jay Jopling's huge new White Cube gallery outpost, which received planning permission last month.

Along the northern edge of the station is Tooley Street, a road that has already been transformed over the past decade and is today a rather weird mélange of cheesy tourist attractions (the London Dungeon), service sector corporate utopia (More London and City Hall) with a backdrop composed of the dignified remnants of the area's past: warehouses and offices once concerned with freight and transport along the Thames.

The most significant change observable on Tooley Street will be the demolition of the Southwestern Railway Office to make way for the northern entrance of the new London Bridge station concourse. This building has struggled to find uses in recent years, but most recently the arches behind it have been used to great effect by Southwark Playhouse. The building, and some arches, will be sacrificed for a new, grand entrance for the station facing More London.

Bill Price, director of WSP, the firm in charge of the works at the station, says: "The massive change that people will see is that there will be fewer terminating tracks. It's all about unlocking Thameslink capacity to Waterloo East and Blackfriars."

This justification explains the demolition of the entire train shed at London Bridge and its replacement with a Shard-friendly glass roof. It also explains the widening of the viaduct above Borough Market.

The evacuation of Southwark Playhouse (it will get a new home in Elephant and Castle) from the arches and the disappearance of arts organisations like Shunt (which occupied arches under the station between 2004 and 2010) from the area is the most significant indictment of the changes at the foot of the Shard. This is not because these organisations are uniquely valuable, but because regeneration of this kind tends to edit out, clean up and demolish the kinds of spaces that they find so conducive to their work. Tooley Street will be poorer for it, more dedicated to tourists and with less for the local population.

Councillor Colley says she wants the Shard's ripples to spread widely to Borough High Street and beyond: "Lots of landowners [on Borough High Street] aren't willing to invest the money that's needed; the pavements aren't wide enough and Transport for London needs to address that. I want to see regeneration at the top of Borough High Street going down past the station to Elephant and Castle."

My view, though, is that Borough High Street will stubbornly refuse to gentrify at the same pace as Tooley Street and St Thomas' Street and will remain a busy, slightly down-at-heel place with few of the typical high street chains. The night-time economy here will serve students and the citizens of Bermondsey. I suspect those working, living and staying in the Shard will find their natural habitat on Bermondsey Street, browsing gastropubs and galleries.

The concerns of residents, though, according to the newly founded Bermondsey Neighbourhood Forum, are the usual ones of local jobs and housing for poorer people who have grown up here and do not want to move.

Local architect and forum member Hari Phillips says: "People know there are development sites and they know that the Shard will have a knock-on effect, but I think there is a sense that this has been imposed on us. There ought to be more control from the bottom up." He points to issues from the redistribution of Section 106 money - the compulsory contribution developers make to public projects as part of the planning agreement, much of which in this case has been ploughed into the station redevelopment rather than affordable housing - the proposed demolition of historic buildings, and the height of proposed towers on St Thomas' Street.

What the forum can achieve to address these concerns remains to be seen - it is one of the vanguard organisations formed to enact the principles of the Localism Bill and will be a tough testbed for those ideas. But the forum seems sensitive, as are so many of London's residents, to what regeneration really means in areas like Bermondsey. It means importing new, richer demographic groups through developments like the Shard and hoping that some of their wealth will trickle down into the surrounding area.

The Shard is an unprecedented building, but if its effect is to help people already living in Bermondsey, it will need to add another dimension to its engagement with the streets around it.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 08:52 PM   #6566
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:35 PM   #6567
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is this from grenwich park?
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:54 PM   #6568
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No, richmonds park I think
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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #6569
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Picture I took from last week, from Borough High Street I think.

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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #6570
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No, richmonds park I think
Slightly off!

It's got to be east, as The Shard is on the left and The City on the right.

My money's on Beckton Alps, that's Balfron Tower (Trellick's little brother) partially obscuring The Eye.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #6571
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Picture I took from last week, from Borough High Street I think.
Newington Causeway if I'm not mistaken.
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Four views from a lunch time wander round Bermondsey.

Jamaica Road






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It's got to be east, as The Shard is on the left and The City on the right.

My money's on Beckton Alps, that's Balfron Tower (Trellick's little brother) partially obscuring The Eye.
Given that it appears in wawd's Stratford - Woolwich Walk set, you're certainly a lot closer. It would be a very long diversion via Richmond
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Very nice pictures and unusual shots by chest

Taken from Richmond Park or Parliament Hill?

I am a bit confused because in the first pic the city skyline is quite far which doesn't look like Parliament hill, no?
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Those shots were taken from somewhere in the south east
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Very nice pictures and unusual shots by chest

Taken from Richmond Park or Parliament Hill?

I am a bit confused because in the first pic the city skyline is quite far which doesn't look like Parliament hill, no?
Chest took them from One Tree Hill at Honor Oak Park, in South East London.
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Newington Causeway if I'm not mistaken.
Probably, Im not familiar with the area.

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Taken from Richmond Park or Parliament Hill?

I am a bit confused because in the first pic the city skyline is quite far which doesn't look like Parliament hill, no?
If you'd like to be able to tell if a picture is taken from Parliament hill, then look for whether the Shard is directly above St Paul's, and to right of the city cluster.
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