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Old August 13th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #12341
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It is a wonderful tower and a very nice addition to London skyline. I wish in Paris we were as open minded as in London and we could see something as iconic as that rising soon. To think that the highest tower in Paris is Tour Montparnasse, one of the ugliest high rise I have ever seen
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Old August 13th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #12342
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Old August 13th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #12343
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It is a wonderful tower and a very nice addition to London skyline. I wish in Paris we were as open minded as in London and we could see something as iconic as that rising soon. To think that the highest tower in Paris is Tour Montparnasse, one of the ugliest high rise I have ever seen
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Old August 13th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #12344
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It is a wonderful tower and a very nice addition to London skyline. I wish in Paris we were as open minded as in London and we could see something as iconic as that rising soon. To think that the highest tower in Paris is Tour Montparnasse, one of the ugliest high rise I have ever seen
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Not ugly whatsoever. Just not quite as creative as that London Shard. Besides think of all that classic old architecture Paris has plus the Eiffel Tower.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #12345
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Not ugly whatsoever. Just not quite as creative as that London Shard. Besides think of all that classic old architecture Paris has plus the Eiffel Tower.

I guess it depends on personal taste. I find the Tour Montparnasse ugly. Others will find it if not ugly at best uninspiring.

We can produce in our days nice glassy buildings with interesting and daring designs. i.e. the Shard. I would like to see an iconic, inspiring skyscraper in Paris. Ok we have the Tour de la Défense, but its not within Paris.

There are talks of having the Tour Montparnasse dismentled. I hope it will push through. And that it will be replaced by a tower that shows some level of creativity and originality.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #12346
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The higtest tower in Paris is tour First, 231 m!
Yes London so open minded, it took their 10 years to have the shard!

Tour First is not in Paris! Its in the outskirt of Paris. I am talking of Paris intra-muros.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #12347
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The higtest tower in Paris is tour First, 231 m!
Yes London so open minded, it took their 10 years to have the shard!
Not quite, it received planning permission in 2002, a year after the redesign was revealed (the original taller plan was told to go back to the drawing board).

There was a strong conservative backlash led by the usual conservative bodies... English Heritage and the Royal Parks (the Westminster council puppets) leading the attack with Prince Charles being somewhat vocal but not as vocal as he has been in the past. They had the side of the local London paper, the conservative Evening Standard.

Then it was called in for a public inquiry (highest level of planning usually required for things like new airports and Nuclear Power Stations) that took a year and the development given full approval in 2003. We can thank Russell Harris QC for the result

The rest of the time was taken up with waiting for existing building lease to expire, financing issues and demolition.

Construction began in March 2009
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Old August 13th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #12348
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Old August 13th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #12349
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my point is that sure there was hostility and close-mindedness toward the shard, but ultimately what caused the "10 year wait" were the legalities of waiting for existing leases to run out and the struggle of financing such a complex project.

Certainly it was the financing that nearly killed the project. Same thing could easily happen in Paris as the economics currently dont stack up so favourably with super-talls in Europe with its democratic capitalist and strong legal systems combined with a tight urban fabric.

All this makes the existence of the Shard all the more remarkable.

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Old August 13th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #12350
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shame this beast was not in the closing ceremony last night like the other london land marks .
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Old August 13th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #12351
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Whoa! there's little remarkable about this one ... what happened to highrise design around London, it had been looking good (for some time)? Walls are apparent beyond its glass curtain, shouldn't this spire be named the Shroud?
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Old August 13th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #12352
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I guess it depends on personal taste. I find the Tour Montparnasse ugly. Others will find it if not ugly at best uninspiring.

We can produce in our days nice glassy buildings with interesting and daring designs. i.e. the Shard. I would like to see an iconic, inspiring skyscraper in Paris. Ok we have the Tour de la Défense, but its not within Paris.

There are talks of having the Tour Montparnasse dismentled. I hope it will push through. And that it will be replaced by a tower that shows some level of creativity and originality.
The Tour Montparnasse is totally out of scale for its situation and should be demolished not least because it's base must be one of the ugliest most depressing places of any great city I have ever seen. 19th c Prison buildings have better esthetics than this shit.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 03:55 AM   #12353
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Old & New by flyingdodo, on Flickr

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The Shard by djking, on Flickr

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What could've been by James Gourley Photography, on Flickr

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Old August 14th, 2012, 04:59 AM   #12354
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The slagging off of the Tour Montparnasse lacks context. At the time it was built it was one of the tallest buildings in Europe. In terms of Gallic modernism its contemporaries were Citroen Maserati, (Anglo-French) Concorde. It was a declaration of the new in Old Europe. By all means advocate its replacement if you don't like it (I happen to think it's a pretty good building), but give it its due.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 07:35 AM   #12355
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It's very nice, ironically though, it's a poor man's Ryugyong.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 08:16 AM   #12356
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It's very nice, ironically though, it's a poor man's Ryugyong.
Yes, of course it is.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #12357
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i always wonder who is the most creative ?
the architects or the jury that choose within a lot of projects ?
because it's such an easy thing for an architect to build an iconic tower ...
the difficulty is to have people that choose your iconic project , because i'm sure there was a lot of casual project in every architect competition , and maybe some are even more crazy than the shard ....


( but i don't know for the shard . it was a competition ? or the builder precisely wanted renzo piano to create this skyscraper ? )
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Old August 14th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #12358
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Wonderful tower.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #12359
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Not quite, it received planning permission in 2002, a year after the redesign was revealed (the original taller plan was told to go back to the drawing board).

There was a strong conservative backlash led by the usual conservative bodies... English Heritage and the Royal Parks (the Westminster council puppets) leading the attack with Prince Charles being somewhat vocal but not as vocal as he has been in the past. They had the side of the local London paper, the conservative Evening Standard.

Then it was called in for a public inquiry (highest level of planning usually required for things like new airports and Nuclear Power Stations) that took a year and the development given full approval in 2003. We can thank Russell Harris QC for the result

The rest of the time was taken up with waiting for existing building lease to expire, financing issues and demolition.
I completely understand why there has been so much hostility towards tall buildings in the UK.

You only have to look at the utterly risible history of the tall buildings in the UK to see that the blame lies squarely at the feet of the architectural profession. There are a small handful of genuinely good tall buildings in this country - almost all of which have been built recently. The vast majority have been so bad that many have already been demolished, reclad, or are shortly to be so, after just a few decades.

The Shard and some of the other recent projects are starting to change attitudes to tall buildings. I welcome that, but let's not forget why there was so much hostility in the first place.

And let's not pretend Paris is any better. It is indeed a city of architectural treasures, but the second half of the 20th century has not been kind to the city, especially in the burbs.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #12360
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Still this picture makes London my favorite skyline in Europe
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