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Old March 19th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #1301
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It's not called Swiss Re anymore btw guys
what u mean? u mean Gherkin/ or u mean its got a new official name?
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Old March 19th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #1302
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Come on the Eiffel Tower hardly has the mass of a building and and actually sits as an iconic monument within the city - thee focul point. Somehow it works...look at the future London sky line - where is the focal point?....Canary Wharf Cluster....the City...then the Shard - all so disparate. I mean, how are we meant to read that skyline....? Then you have the London Eye....and where is St Pauls in all of this?

All the great cities have composed skylines: Hong Kong, New York, San Francisco, Singapore....I think Dubai will get there where there is scale in proximity given to the Burj...
Read the city however you want mate, it will look amazing from any angle.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #1303
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what u mean? u mean Gherkin/ or u mean its got a new official name?
You could have done a Google search yourself. In any case the name is now its street address, 30 St Mary Axe.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #1304
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looks a bit like the russia tower
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Old March 19th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #1305
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Come on the Eiffel Tower hardly has the mass of a building and and actually sits as an iconic monument within the city - thee focul point. Somehow it works...look at the future London sky line - where is the focal point?....Canary Wharf Cluster....the City...then the Shard - all so disparate. I mean, how are we meant to read that skyline....? Then you have the London Eye....and where is St Pauls in all of this?

All the great cities have composed skylines: Hong Kong, New York, San Francisco, Singapore....I think Dubai will get there where there is scale in proximity given to the Burj...
Hong Kong's skyline is not "composed" at all. It's a jumble whose balance varies widely according to the viewing angle. The San Francisco and New York skylines are also not composed (though the latter's Downtown will be somewhat composed on completion of the new World Trade Center towers). Of the cities you mention, only Singapore and Paris have skylines that are planned on a city-wide scale. In London we can say that Canary Wharf is very much composed and planned. All the buildings are oriented in the same direction and there's a central trilogy of towers dominated by 1 Canada Square's pyramid. However I doubt Canary Wharf will ever become the focal point of London in terms of skyline or anything else. The focal point of London will always be the city centre. In terms of skyline the Shard works very well. It "answers" the City cluster across the river, and especially the 288m Bishopsgate tower, in much the same way that ICC and IFC2 answer one another across Hong Kong harbour. It also answers and balances the dome of St Paul's and these two will become the most distinctive individual shapes on London's eastwards skyline, contrasting with one another: St Paul's dome is rounder and bulkier but lower, wheras the Shard is wafer thin, pointed, and high. London, like Tokyo, New York, Shanghai, and Hong Kong, will have several focal points on its skyline: in the west there is the duet between Big Ben/Parliament and the London Eye. To the east of the centre will be St Paul's, the City cluster, and the Shard, and on the eastern periphery there's Canary Wharf.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #1306
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looks a bit like the russia tower
Oh for goodness sake, gotta just be wind ups now

Well said Langur, completely agree. The Shard will work fantastically in a balance with the city cluster, but because of it's tapering slender shape is able to work without actually being in a cluster itself
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Old March 19th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #1307
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what u mean? u mean Gherkin/ or u mean its got a new official name?
It was called 'Swiss Re' because Swiss Reinsurance owned/occupied the building, but they no longer do (since 2006 or 07 I think). It is '30 St Mary Axe', or obviously more commonly 'the Gherkin'.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #1308
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Oh for goodness sake, gotta just be wind ups now
Indeed... Just ignore them.

Luckily, the superior design is the one being built.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #1309
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It was called 'Swiss Re' because Swiss Reinsurance owned/occupied the building, but they no longer do (since 2006 or 07 I think). It is '30 St Mary Axe', or obviously more commonly 'the Gherkin'.
They sold the building in 2007 but they still occupy it. To my knowledge it was never called Swiss Re officially. However it's often named after the company that built it, and that remains its largest occupant.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 01:43 AM   #1310
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Old March 20th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #1311
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Come on the Eiffel Tower hardly has the mass of a building and and actually sits as an iconic monument within the city - thee focul point. Somehow it works...look at the future London sky line - where is the focal point?....Canary Wharf Cluster....the City...then the Shard - all so disparate. I mean, how are we meant to read that skyline....? Then you have the London Eye....and where is St Pauls in all of this?

All the great cities have composed skylines: Hong Kong, New York, San Francisco, Singapore....I think Dubai will get there where there is scale in proximity given to the Burj...
wheres the focal point in Hong Kong.Where is the Focal point in london lol how many do you want.Have you actually been to london or have you just been looking at pictures.The Shard will have the same impact as the trifel tower.If you think different then your away with the guz gogs(whatever that means lol).And why is it all so desprate having three major points.It's what makes london unique from other cities and not one concentrated cluster like most cities.And if you can't read the skyline from pictures you certainly won't see it in person.I don't think you have thought it through cos i don't think you know much about what London has and is.But if thats how you see it then your on your own mate.

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looks a bit like the russia tower
Hasn't that been put on hold or even CANCELLED
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Old March 21st, 2009, 10:40 AM   #1312
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The Russia tower has almost certainly been cancelled.

The reason there are 2 skylines in London is simple (I hope it is, because I'm going to talk about it.)

The city was protected behind st pauls from tall towers for a very long time...meanwhile the docklands which was a wasteland was in much need of development. So they decided to stick a few towers there and do the place up.

Due to an economic boom towers were approved in the city also...giving us 2 clusters.

NY even has a flat bit in the middle between downtown and midtown.


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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:23 PM   #1313
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Wow! That's totally awesome!
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:30 PM   #1314
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The Russia tower has almost certainly been cancelled.

The reason there are 2 skylines in London is simple (I hope it is, because I'm going to talk about it.)

The city was protected behind st pauls from tall towers for a very long time...meanwhile the docklands which was a wasteland was in much need of development. So they decided to stick a few towers there and do the place up.

Due to an economic boom towers were approved in the city also...giving us 2 clusters.
didn't know that, thanks.

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Old March 25th, 2009, 01:28 AM   #1315
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Well obviously you missed the point of what I said.

Some geezer said london was lame because it had 2 clusters...and I just posted an image of NY knowing that it too had 2 main clusters.
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Sorry if anyone clicked on this thread hoping to see some news...so here is an image I stole from the UK section.


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Old March 26th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #1317
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Nice to see that construction is going on on LBT, I was almost certain that it would be cancelled or at least postponed to after the financial crisis, so this is surprising to me...
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Byrne Brothers beats Doyle to £50m Shard concrete package
25 March, 2009
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Cheaper price wins Byrne contract despite expectations that rival would secure job

Mace has awarded Byrne Brothers the concrete package for the £425m Shard tower at London Bridge – a deal worth just under £50m.

Mace appointed Byrne this week ahead of rival Doyle Group, which had been working with Mace on its bid. Doyle had been expected to secure the job once Mace signed its contract with developer London Bridge Quarter earlier this month.

However, it is understood that Byrne Brothers had also been interested in the contract for the past two or three months, and offered a cheaper price for a different form of concrete.

The development comes after it emerged that Cleveland Bridge is to be dropped from the £50m steelwork package on the contract and replaced with Severfield-Rowen.

One source close to the project said: “This is the way contracting is going now. The market is very tight, and relationships with the supply chain contractors are coming under pressure.”

The client on the 310m-high tower, part of the London Bridge Quarter, has told Mace it expects practical completion of the project by May 2012. Mace is building the tower under a guaranteed maximum price deal, after originally proposing the construction management route.
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‘The Shard’ gets closer to build start date
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The development of London Bridge Quarter has taken a step further this week, as it was revealed that Byrne Bros has won the concrete frame package on The Shard in a deal worth up to £50 million.

According to ContractJournal.com, the move has stunned rival contractors who considered Byrne an outsider to win one of the biggest concrete jobs in London from the project’s main contractor Mace.

It is thought that a similar round of last-minute jockeying is currently underway for the £50m steelwork package on The Shard – which could jettison Cleveland Bridge, originally named as the preferred steel contractor last June by developer Sellar Property Group.

The entire site of London Bridge Quarter covers approximately 2m sq ft of mixed-space comprising The Shard, a 310 metre-high tower, and the redevelopment of New London Bridge House – a stunning piazza linking the two buildings.

Two major pre-lets have already been contracted for The Shard: Shangri-La Hotels is taking over almost 200,000 sq ft of space over 18 floors (floors 34 to 52) and Transport for London is to occupy 190,000 sq ft of office accommodation on floors four to ten inclusive.

The Shard will be Europe’s tallest and first truly mixed-use building – with 1.4m sq ft (gross), featuring offices over 24 floors, a mid-level leisure and viewing complex set over three floors. Rather uniquely, it will also feature a concrete frame sitting on top of a steel one; this, combined with such distinctive design, has created a dream engineering feat.

Architect Renzo Piano is one of the world’s greatest living architects, and shot to international prominence in 1977 when, together with Richard Rogers, he designed the Pompidou Centre in Paris. Of The Shard he says: “The tower is designed to be a sharp and light presence on the London skyline, and to be sustainable from every point of view: human, technological, energetic and economic.”
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