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Old May 10th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #21821
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that was the case with the first design but not this one.
Don't try to correct me. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I spent a LOT of time studying the WTC site (past and future), and frankly, know more about it than any other living poster on this board.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #21822
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The current height of 1 WTC is 800 feet +- 2 feet (approximately 244 meters), with the steel at the 65th/66th floors.

This now makes 1WTC the 16th tallest buildings in NYC!

On a different note, I am a little concerned about the speed of the progress at the tower. The last steel jump was on April 22nd, 18 days ago. This is the equivalent rate of building 1 floor every 9 days, which is much slower than what its supposed to be: 1 week per floor. Does anybody know the reason for this?

Also, I agree that 2 WTC is a very well-designed tower, but its horrible location would make 1 WTC virtually invisible from Brooklyn, which is what I really can't get over.
It won't be invisible from Brooklyn. No matter where you put tower 2 it will block the views from SOME angles or SOME parts of Brooklyn. So it it is blocked form say a DUMBO view it will be clearly viewable from the Promonade, Cobble Hill, Red Hook, etc and also Williamsburg and Greenpoint. If the view is blocked for those walking across the Brooklyn Bridge that will be a shame but just walk across the Manhattan Bridge instead.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 08:31 PM   #21823
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Don't try to correct me. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I spent a LOT of time studying the WTC site (past and future), and frankly, know more about it than any other living poster on this board.
Who are you talking to? Your statement was incorrect so corrected it.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #21824
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just 13 more feet to surpass case and 77 feet to surpass Beekman, bye my estimate freedom tower should be the second tallest building by roof by mid September.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #21825
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It won't be invisible from Brooklyn. No matter where you put tower 2 it will block the views from SOME angles or SOME parts of Brooklyn. So it it is blocked form say a DUMBO view it will be clearly viewable from the Promonade, Cobble Hill, Red Hook, etc and also Williamsburg and Greenpoint. If the view is blocked for those walking across the Brooklyn Bridge that will be a shame but just walk across the Manhattan Bridge instead.
When the original twin towers were built, they were purposely set at a northwest by southeast axis. As a result, the twins were never obscured from either Brooklyn or New Jersey. When one did obscure the other, it didn't really matter since both towers were identical. Now 1 WTC and 2 WTC (which have almost the same roof height) are aligned at a west by east axis which completely obscures the view of 1 WTC from Brooklyn and 2 WTC from New Jersey. Cobble Hill, Red Hook, Greenpoint and Williamsburg are all too far away from lower Manhattan to provide a decent view of downtown, and the beautiful view of 1 WTC that Brooklyn Heights residents will enjoy for a while will be lost floor by floor as 2 WTC comes up. The view of 1 WTC will be entirely obscured from the Brooklyn Bridge (you will only be able to see the spire), and the view from Manhattan Bridge won't be any better: the Beekman Tower has taken care of that already.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:37 PM   #21826
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Does anyone know how wide the corners of the base are? I'm making a 1 WTC model for private use, but I can't find this measure anywhere. A drawing to make it clear:

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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #21827
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When the original twin towers were built, they were purposely set at a northwest by southeast axis. As a result, the twins were never obscured from either Brooklyn or New Jersey. When one did obscure the other, it didn't really matter since both towers were identical. Now 1 WTC and 2 WTC (which have almost the same roof height) are aligned at a west by east axis which completely obscures the view of 1 WTC from Brooklyn and 2 WTC from New Jersey. Cobble Hill, Red Hook, Greenpoint and Williamsburg are all too far away from lower Manhattan to provide a decent view of downtown, and the beautiful view of 1 WTC that Brooklyn Heights residents will enjoy for a while will be lost floor by floor as 2 WTC comes up. The view of 1 WTC will be entirely obscured from the Brooklyn Bridge (you will only be able to see the spire), and the view from Manhattan Bridge won't be any better: the Beekman Tower has taken care of that already.
Maybe 2 WTC and the Beekman Tower will both become symbols, who knows. Sometimes I also notice that people see the Twin Towers as a symbol because they are gone, not because they are actually standing. The old WTC was first hated under NYC residents, because of their projected monotony and domination.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #21828
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^ Your question has several answers. The measurement depends on the distances between two points. Those points can come either from cladding, or concrete, or the super columns.
If your model isn't going to be accurate, then use the 22ft lenght.


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that was the case with the first design but not this one.
Are you talking about the one made by David Childs / Liberskind or to the first version of the redesigned 1WTC? The first version of the redesigned tower used the concept of Lady Liberty's Torch; but the actual design of spire doesn't include a net of cables and the Communication Ring has also changed, so I'm not sure if this modifies the concept.

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A mast containing an antenna for the Metropolitan Television Alliance (MTVA), designed by a collaboration of architects, artists, lighting designers and engineers, and secured by a system of cables, rises from a circular support ring, similar to Liberty’s torch, to a height of 1,776 feet. In keeping with the original design, the entire composition evokes the Statue of Liberty’s torch and will emit light, becoming its own Beacon of Freedom.

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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #21829
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I can't wait to see photos of it at night...
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Old May 10th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #21830
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^ Your question has several answers. The measurement depends on the distances between two points. Those points can come either from cladding, or concrete, or the super columns.
If your model isn't going to be accurate, then use the 22ft lenght.
Thank you!
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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #21831
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Update to the Lower Manhattan checklist. Woolworth has been surpassed by these latest columns.


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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #21832
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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #21833
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Don't try to correct me. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I spent a LOT of time studying the WTC site (past and future), and frankly, know more about it than any other living poster on this board.
Your ego is out of control. Please study up on the words humility, humble, respectful, plus it would be wise to look into the concept of noblesse oblige:The obligation of those of high rank or with great power or knowledge to be honourable and generous.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #21834
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John, your statement is based on user's posts, the truth is that nobody knows with who you are treating, even in real life. Your knowledge is terrific, use it wisely.

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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #21835
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Pretty nice diagram above. It illustrates the New York skyscrapers in a relatively better perspective regarding the height.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #21836
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Oh my gosh. That's beautiful!

Did you take that photo? One of the first I've seen in a while that I really like.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #21837
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Old May 11th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #21838
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Can someone give me the link to the Discovery cam? My computer crashed, and i lost all of my saved files.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #21839
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Old May 11th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #21840
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i guess i wont worry about my diagram updates. you seem to have it covered.
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