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Old May 15th, 2011, 02:30 AM   #21961
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Saturday Evening May 14, 2011 7:30pm

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5 months ago it was barely visible....

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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:24 AM   #21962
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But that is exactly what the Big Business-types who are building this wanted. They don't want their future tenants scared off by frightening imagery. It was never what the survivors or families wanted, but that's what you're getting.

A sanitized, Ground Zero.

Watch the Penn and Teller BS episode on Ground Zero. It's shocking.
Your third post on just this page that thinks outside what others would and makes complete sense. Great thoughts, thanks!
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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:34 AM   #21963
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Unlike what a lot of sticklers on this site purport to be true... Almost anything is possible!

... if you throw enough money at the situation... Even rebuilding the Twins...

But what is cheap and what is practical, is always what gets done.

Besides, in this case where I placed it. will make the most sense for all the visitors to see up close and have their picture taken beside. Do you want all those future visitors dodging traffic and risk getting run over for that classic photo?

Reading this lifted my soul.

Though I'm hesitant to state why...
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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:39 AM   #21964
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great tower! Making its way to be a recognizable landmark in New York skyline!
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Old May 15th, 2011, 07:38 AM   #21965
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I can't believe the sphere is not coming back to the site. Even if it can't be placed in exactly the same position it occupied before, there seems to be more than enough open space nearby to give it the treatment it deserves. It's amazing it survived the collapse of the towers, although battered.

There are many precedents in other cities for having it back. The Coventry Cathedral in England, the Dresden Cathedral, and the "atomic dome" in Hiroshima to name a few.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #21966
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Old May 15th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #21967
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Old May 15th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #21968
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Old May 15th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #21969
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I am as Left Wing and Liberal as you can get and I can't believe I am going to post something from Fox News (Faux News) to add to a point I made before, but this is exactly what we were just talking about.

Returning the Sphere and the sanitizing of Ground Zero. Please watch the video it is only a couple of minutes long:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-o...list_id=161320

Note Mayor Bloomberg's exact words of why it may not be returned to Ground Zero:

"It's a complicated issue...involving design, traffic flow and commercial interest..."
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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:26 PM   #21970
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nice little news article, glad I watched it.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #21971
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Sorry for this OT post but I think this should be mentioned here somewhere and please give me some feedback on this.

With the construction or planned construction of 2,000+ foot skyscrapers in recent years (Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower, India Tower e.t.c.) , it makes sense to create a separate category for these towers, at least for this forum.

Highrises: 300-649 feet
Skyscrapers: 650-999 feet
Supertalls: 1,000-1,999 feet
Ultratalls: 2,000-3,499 feet

and some more hypothetical categories:

Megatalls: 3,500-5,999 feet
Hypertalls: 6,000+ feet
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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #21972
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Otie, update the date on your diagram.

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Old May 15th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #21973
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With the construction or planned construction of 2,000+ foot skyscrapers in recent years (Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower, India Tower e.t.c.) , it makes sense to create a separate category for these towers, at least for this forum.
There's a huge number of projects such as One World Trade Center that fall into the existing definition of Supertalls that are used on this forum but there's just a handful that are over 2,000 feet tall so I don't think it would require a separate section because there just wouldn't be that much activity. Also this particular project is one I look at almost everyday but so are the ones over 2,000 feet so it's much more convenient to have them in the same place in the forum.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #21974
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me gusta este proyecto, me parece genial, q nueva york se modernice en cuanto a rascacielos se trata, ademas estos edificios, le dan un nuevo aire a la ciudad, para q retome su lugar de supermetropolis moderna y a la vanguardia.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #21975
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The sphere belongs on the WTC site. I believe that in the end they will find a solution. They have to. Putting it anywhere else, particularly into "storage" is simply not acceptable.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 09:46 PM   #21976
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As the trade center tower rises, so does wind risk

Sunday, May 15, 2011
LAST UPDATED: SUNDAY MAY 15, 2011, 12:06 PM
BY SHAWN BOBURG
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One World Trade Center

Once known as the Freedom Tower, the building has risen above surrounding skyscrapers and will begin to dominate lower Manhattan's skyline in the coming months. As its stature grows, so will the force of the winds at the top of the tower, causing occasional construction shutdowns, officials say.


DAVID BERGELAND / STAFF PHOTOGRAPHER
To protect pedestrians from construction materials that might be blown off the tower, the top 20 floors are surrounded by a netting system.
The factors at play

Wind speeds generally increase with altitude, and the top of the tower is no longer sheltered from the wind by other buildings. Crews laying steel at the top of what will be the country's tallest skyscraper must halt work when wind speeds reach 35 miles per hour. That has occurred at an increasing rate during the first four months of this year, even though winter months are generally the windiest. In April, crews lost the equivalent of more than five days of work because of wind.

The 'cocoon'

To protect pedestrians from construction materials that might be blown off the tower, the top 20 floors are surrounded by a first-of-its-kind netting system. The $9 million protective "cocoon" will rise with the building. It consists of four floors of blue steel-framed netting at the top and 16 more floors of fire-resistant protective netting below. Officials say it has increased productivity by partially shielding workers from the wind and other elements.

On target

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey says the 104-floor building is on schedule to be completed in 2013.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #21977
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I stuck the World Trade Center update video into a General NYC / Jersey City overview update. The Building is just starting to stand out if you can spot it...

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Old May 16th, 2011, 01:10 AM   #21979
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Today I did a little mathematical exercise and was able to prove that the "octagon" is indeed on the 72nd floor. It took me some time to come up with, but in the end I figured out the height of the tower at which this "octagon" is found, which was 878 feet, and just about on the 72nd floor. To actually get the 878 figure, I used some pretty difficult triangle ratio methods and eventually mashed out this formula:

o=(ah/(a+b))+185

o=the height at which the octagon is found (the variable)
h=height of any one of 1WTC's triangular facades=1,183 feet
a=half of the base of any of the four larger triangle facades=100 feet
b=half of the base of any of the four smaller triangle facades=70.7107 feet
height of base=185 feet

Proving this formula would be impossible on this forum given that it is largely a geometrical proof and requires multiple diagrams to be drawn. The most important thing to know is that the facade triangles don't all have the same area (4 are larger, 4 are smaller) and therefore the octagon is a little higher up than just at the midpoint of the facade triangle height.

Also, does anyone know who first came up with the 72nd floor as the "octagon floor" that everyone keeps mentioning?

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Old May 16th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #21980
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Today I did a little mathematical exercise and was able to prove that the "octagon" is indeed on the 72nd floor. It took me some time to come up with, but in the end I figured out the height of the tower at which this "octagon" is found, which was 878 feet, and just about on the 72nd floor. To actually get the 878 figure, I used some pretty difficult triangle ratio methods and eventually mashed out this formula:

o=(ah/(a+b))+185

o=the height at which the octagon is found (the variable)
h=height of any one of 1WTC's triangular facades=1,183 feet
a=half of the base of any of the four larger triangle facades=100 feet
b=half of the base of any of the four smaller triangle facades=70.7107 feet
height of base=185 feet

Proving this formula would be impossible on this forum given that it is largely a geometrical proof and requires multiple diagrams to be drawn. The most important thing to know is that the facade triangles don't all have the same area (4 are larger, 4 are smaller) and therefore the octagon is a little higher up than just at the midpoint of the facade triangle height.

Also, does anyone know who first came up with the 72nd floor as the "octagon floor" that everyone keeps mentioning?

edit wrong forum.
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