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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:52 AM   #23201
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Assuming this graphic is correct is shows a) that the view is only blocked from one tiny segment of the Dumbo shoreline. Walk a thousand feet in either direction and you will see it fine as will you from the Brooklyn Promonade, the vast majority of the Brooklyn Bridge (only at the Manhattan side tower are you blocked based on that graphic) and even the Dumbo park under and south of the bridge itself will have a spectacular view. b) the only way to stop blocking views is to stop putting up new skyscrapers - every tall building built blocks some view of some other tall building. Personally, I don't like the new towers on the west side of Fifth Avenue that block the view of the ESB from 5th Avenue and 42nd which used to be one of the iconic views of the ESB.

It is NY, they always build tall buildings that block someones views. Unless you want the place to stagnate there is no way to avoid that. Personally, I want as many new tall buildings as possible
You seem to be missing the point. 1 WTC will be the tallest building in the country, the primary symbol of the reconstruction of our skyline and our city. So it's just fine and dandy to obstruct that iconic view from the Brooklyn Bridge with an ugly huge tower in front of it? The Twin Towers were prominent in the view from the Brooklyn Bridge. You say tall buildings always block views. Do you think they would have started building huge towers in front of the Twins to obstruct their view from the bridge?

I guess if everyone thought like you, the city would be a huge concrete jungle full of skyscrapers, nothing unique about that.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:55 AM   #23202
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One of them technically will. Realistically (roof height) two will be approximately the same height and the other two will be a couple/few hundred feet shorter.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:58 AM   #23203
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do you not find 2 wtc stunning?

Not from the Dumbo angle.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:01 AM   #23204
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You seem to be missing the point. 1 WTC will be the tallest building in the country, the primary symbol of the reconstruction of our skyline and our city. So it's just fine and dandy to obstruct that iconic view from the Brooklyn Bridge with an ugly huge tower in front of it? The Twin Towers were prominent in the view from the Brooklyn Bridge. You say tall buildings always block views. Do you think they would have started building huge towers in front of the Twins to obstruct their view from the bridge?

I guess if everyone thought like you, the city would be a huge concrete jungle full of skyscrapers, nothing unique about that.
isnt it more impressive for a city to have been built out of necessity for the structures it contains and utilitarianism in general rather than to just please people aesthetically? i think utilitarianism is a mark of prosperity. i mean look at new york compared to a city like dubai. dubai builds to try and wow people, whereas new york, which is a much more important city, builds in a largely utilitarian fashion. i dont know. i guess what im trying to say is that i believe building to make a city functional and collectively prosperous (which i believe 1 wtc to be doing) is more impressive than a city that tries to wow people because of of lack of significance.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:06 AM   #23205
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I wish there were more renders of 1 WTC. Such a beautiful building.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:10 AM   #23206
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it is. from the way its looking now, i think this building is going to far outo the renders.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #23207
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Who cares if the view gets block. The building's still going to be there. If you want to see 1 WTC outside of manhattan, move to Jersey City believe me we won't miss you.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #23208
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Partrick . . . It's not letting me go on google earth now off the pa website, when i did it before i went up and down that dumbo shore line with the brooklyn bridge in the foreground and at every point 1wtc was blocked by 2 did'nt get much better really.





Twin towers win this shot everytime, but there will be other stunning view point's of the new complex, I love this one


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Old June 24th, 2011, 03:00 PM   #23209
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Off-topic, forgive me.

But...What have they done to WTC 3??
What do you mean?
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Old June 24th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #23210
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What do you mean?
They removed the video screens and the x bracing from it.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #23211
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How can I see the completed site on Google Earth? Is it like an app I download?
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Old June 24th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #23212
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This issue of 2 WTC blocking 1 WTC from Brooklyn was the first thing I wrote about on this forum, and I still think it's one of the worst issue plaguing the new WTC. I'm pretty sure I was the first to bring up this issue here and I posted frequently about how 2 WTC will block 1 WTC not just from DUMBO, but from the entirety of the Brooklyn Bridge Span and from the Promenade. I think 2 WTC should simply not be built, that is, they should stop at the retail "stump" as is currently planned. It's good enough to have 3 WTC, which itself is almost as tall as the ESB, to be built to its full height (the very fact that it has been redesigned suggests that it will). Building 2 WTC would mean building a tower just as tall as 1 WTC and that would take much away from the tower's impact on the NYC skyline. Besides, the only aesthetically exciting element of 2 WTC is the "diamond" roof, and that won't be seen from Brooklyn anyways. Instead, we'll see an ordinary, flat glass wall built on a titanic scale and 1 WTCs spire sticking out awkwardly behind it.

The worst thing is that, for a few years, 1 WTC will be unobscured by 2 WTC. Many people will probably grow accustomed to seeing 1 WTC stand proudly where the old twins used to be, photographs and postcards of 1 WTC with the Brooklyn Bridge will be made. Then, as 2 WTC gets built, it will start obscuring 1 WTC floor by floor until finally only the spire of 1WTC will remain. I bet postcards with the unobscured 1 WTC will become rare and sought after by collectors. Meanwhile, people on the Brooklyn side will be wondering where that spire is coming from and shudder at the thought that horrible city planning could be made on such a scale. Food for thought.

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Old June 24th, 2011, 06:40 PM   #23213
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This issue of 2 WTC blocking 1 WTC from Brooklyn was the first thing I wrote about on this forum, and I still think it's one of the worst issue plaguing the new WTC. I'm pretty sure I was the first to bring up this issue here and I posted frequently about how 2 WTC will block 1 WTC not just from DUMBO, but from the entirety of the Brooklyn Bridge Span and from the Promenade. I think 2 WTC should simply not be built, that is, they should stop at the retail "stump" as is currently planned. It's good enough to have 3 WTC, which itself is almost as tall as the ESB, to be built to its full height (the very fact that it has been redesigned suggests that it will). Building 2 WTC would mean building a tower just as tall as 1 WTC and that would take much away from the tower's impact on the NYC skyline. Besides, the only aesthetically exciting element of 2 WTC is the "diamond" roof, and that won't be seen from Brooklyn anyways. Instead, we'll see an ordinary, flat glass wall built on a titanic scale.

I entirely agree, they should stop at the stump on Tower 2. 1,3,4 and 7 are great.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:12 PM   #23214
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You two are stupid.

Yes, let's cancel a beautiful 1,350ft tall building, that would not only add beauty to New York's skyline but will also be of economic benefit to the city and downtown once its leased, all because it will "block" 1WTC from Brooklyn.

As if anyone cares...

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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:18 PM   #23215
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I entirely agree, they should stop at the stump on Tower 2. 1,3,4 and 7 are great.

So many times I view people's responses and comments on other people's posts and I can't help but wonder, "couldn't you have just utilized that sweet little scroll function on your mouse and ignore it?" But, every once in a while I spy something that just so deserves attention, like this bull. However, I will try to be respectful.

Are you people kidding me? These comments suggesting that construction be halted on any of these building because they may block views of 1WTC is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of. Besides, seriously, if your view of 1WTC is blocked by 2WTC, how many blocks do you have to walk to the south or to the north before your view isn't blocked?

Anyhow, thank you for humoring my sudden lack of tolerance. I will now resume my loving relationship with the scroll option on my mouse and ignore some of the crazy things posted here Because let's face it, the great stuffed posted on here far outweighs the bad. Thanks goodness!
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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #23216
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Steve Young. Very well said, and in a nice and respectful way.

I can't wait to see all four buildings and the transit center built :-)
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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #23217
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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:28 PM   #23218
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Clearly it's not so ridiculous if the manager of the ESB made an affair out of a much smaller 1,200 foot building being built several blocks away from it and partially blocking it from New Jersey. Here 2 WTC is just as tall as 1 WTC, it's located literally a stone's throw away from the tower, and the view is blocked from the most iconic vantage point in NYC.

They can build 10 2WTCs, just not on the WTC site. Besides, and I can't stress this enough, the tower is NOT planned to built to its full height anyways!
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:02 PM   #23219
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Clearly it's not so ridiculous if the manager of the ESB made an affair out of a much smaller 1,200 foot building being built several blocks away from it and partially blocking it from New Jersey. Here 2 WTC is just as tall as 1 WTC, it's located literally a stone's throw away from the tower, and the view is blocked from the most iconic vantage point in NYC.

They can build 10 2WTCs, just not on the WTC site. Besides, and I can't stress this enough, the tower is NOT planned to built to its full height anyways!
Are you really comparing the nonexistent grey nondescript 1970s boxes that were the original WTC to the Empire State Building?

If the original twins were still standing and a taller building were proposed that would block the twins from that certain vantage point, nobody would care because the original twins weren't attractive at all and they were nowhere near as much as a global icon as the Empire State Building when they were standing. The Empire State Building is to New York what the Eiffel is to Paris.

The new WTC complex is not the not the old twin towers, but a brand new huge office park. I don't understand the comparison regarding the blocked views? This not a replica of the twins, so that iconic view of the old twin towers from the Brooklyn Bridge are gone forever. Time to move on.

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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:10 PM   #23220
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The tower is NOT planned to built to its full height anyways!
It most certainly is going to be built to full height!

I'd advise you to cherish and enjoy the temporary unobstructed views of 1 WTC while it lasts because it will be eventually blocked by 2 WTC from that certain vantage point. And I can't wait for that day! LOL.
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