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Old July 7th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #23681
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One thing is for damn sure, it will be a hell of lot harder. No one will be caught sleeping this time. Just like the Holocaust hasn't happened again, nor does anybody who is somebody hopes or expects it to.
Your terminology is so true.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #23683
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Just keeps looking better and better every day.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 11:56 PM   #23684
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Just keeps looking better and better every day.
You just wait. Once the glass is installed a bit higher 1wtc will look so much more sleek. IMO that is why I think that supertall in London is looking as good as it does.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #23685
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I think it's already sleek.

The glass being used here looks really good at every angle. I'm excited to see what views help make the new WTC the icon of New York City.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #23686
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Thanks Otie for stopping this off-topic crap with your pics
As usual great photos of a great building!
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Old July 8th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #23687
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WTC: Built for the future — with steel
4:48 PM, JULY 6, 2011


By Gary Higbee

An article published as news in the June 1, 2011, issue of this paper shamelessly mislead readers about the materials used in reconstructing the World Trade Center.

Entitled “One World Trade Center rising on ‘super concrete’” and written by Herbert Margrill, communications vice president for The Concrete Alliance, the lengthy, 2,700-word piece not only lacked the concise, factual tone of a news story, it abandoned reality by extolling “One World Trade Center…as the latest proof of concrete’s superiority,” adding that concrete is the leading choice for building developers.

It is the newspaper’s duty to present accurate information to its readers. On behalf of the Steel Institute of New York, let me correct some of the article’s more blatant misrepresentations.

It must first be said that work at the WTC should be praised, not only as proof of the city’s ability to overcome the terrible events which befell the site a decade ago, but also of the contribution it will make to New York’s infrastructure needs. However, ignoring the predominant role played by structural steel in the reconstruction is not just self-serving, it is a misleading omission.

Told that “210,000 cubic yards of concrete [upwards of 300,000 tons] will be needed to cap the Center’s superstructure,” the reader of the article could hardly be blamed for assuming that concrete is the only material being used in the reconstruction. This massive quantity of material far outstrips the 50,000 tons of steel used for the tower’s beams and columns, no question. But quantity is immaterial.

Steel’s higher strength-to-weight ratio and inherently longer span capabilities always lead to less material-intensive design solutions. More importantly, these qualities will enable One World Trade Center to emerge as 2.6 million square feet of column-free, Class A office space. And they are among the reasons why Larry Silverstein chose steel for towers 2, 3, and 4, why the Durst family chose steel for Bank of America Tower, and why steel was selected by the developers of all but one of the office towers built in the city after 9/11.

Despite its many inaccuracies, the article makes one point that is irrefutable. “The looming threat of climate change … is far more dangerous than terrorism,” Margrill quotes Robert Ledwith, president of the Concrete Alliance, as saying. Adopting a mentality that office towers should be bunker-like designs with concrete stair cores and street level blast walls three feet thick would be a mistake. The city’s goal is to strike a balance between safety and the ability to build affordably during these tough economic times, all without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.

We must keep in mind the crisis our city will face if we do not keep pace with other nations in providing the finest Class A office space to attract international corporations in our globalized economy. Viewed from this perspective, it would be a mistake to assume—as Ledwith is again quoted as saying—that “concrete is the best choice for the environment.”

A growing amount of research is being published around the globe comparing the relative impacts of structural steel, concrete, and other materials with respect to embodied energy, carbon impacts, and resource depletion. At the same time, the sustainable impacts of various design choices are being compared via a new generation of life cycle analysis estimators.

This research has highlighted the favorable comparative impacts of structural steel versus concrete when viewed from a project-based perspective: More usable space is created with less environmental impact in One World Trade Center using 50,000 tons of steel than with than with 300,000 tons of concrete. This is not to say concrete has no role in the construction. Each material relies on the other in various applications. And just as all building industries are working to keep costs down, all are working to improve their carbon footprint.

The Steel Institute of New York believes strongly that our city’s future cannot be built on a foundation of misinformation. As progress at the World Trade Center site demonstrates, it is imperative that a building embody much more than function. Our city’s structures represent everything we hope for in its future: economic viability, strength, and beauty. Steel’s substantial role in that vision is irrefutable.

Gary Higbee, AIA, is director of industry development, The Steel Institute of New York.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 01:23 AM   #23688
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Thanks Otie for stopping this off-topic crap with your pics
As usual great photos of a great building!
I kinda hate when someone stops an interesting and enriching discussion by posting a bunch of pics... and I'm bored of comments like "Oh, great pics!", "Awesome, this tower is rising!" or similar comments. But yeah, since this is an off-topic and pointless discussion, I guess it was the right thing to do.

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Old July 8th, 2011, 05:55 AM   #23689
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Wow, what`a great pics of NY. Great job all`s.

Congrats.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:25 AM   #23690
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With the last space shuttle launch today (if its not delayed) it could be interesting to note that $1 billion, the approx. cost of 1 shuttle launch, would almost pay for 1WTC.

Don't get me wrong...the shuttle program was worth it...but we are getting much more value for the dollar with the building!
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:50 AM   #23691
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With the last space shuttle launch today (if its not delayed) it could be interesting to note that $1 billion, the approx. cost of 1 shuttle launch, would almost pay for 1WTC.

Don't get me wrong...the shuttle program was worth it...but we are getting much more value for the dollar with the building!
not necessarily. it all depends on a person's point of view.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:24 AM   #23692
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I can't wait to see you, you beautiful building.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:39 AM   #23693
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I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:55 AM   #23694
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I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.
Me no likie pyramids.

That being said, I think it is fine the way it is. I think it will be cool to see photos of it without the spire (e.g., before the spire is constructed).
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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #23695
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I can't wait to see you, you beautiful building.
Is the cladding going to be like this towards the upper floors? Are they vents foor the mechanical floors? They look very noticeable in this pic . .
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:19 PM   #23696
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #23697
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #23698
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #23699
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I think it will be cool to see photos of it without the spire (e.g., before the spire is constructed).
That's what I'm talking about. I dont like the way it is now. Without spire would be awesome, pyramid of spires would be awesome. Just my 2 cents.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #23700
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I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.
There already is a pyramid building next to it. I'm talking about 3WFC As to spires, I never really liked them. I always liked roof height being the pinnacle height as well


Oh, and to the conspiracy freaks, I know what happened to 7WTC. Chuck Norris was inside and he farted
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